Tory Watch

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[Beradogs]

Don’t believe the hype. Away from Brexit, Boris Johnson is a liberal. It’s a no thanks from me. I would like Steve Baker or possibly Priti Patel, Dominic Raab. Politics has changed globally, the centre ground is a busted flush. The left have a real left wing party to vote for now and I want the same. Meanwhile, Nigel will get my vote.

[Beradogs]

Look how he took on and beat the EU earlier in this process.

My three hero's Trump, Boris, Farage, If only all three could be in power at same time, so much fun, none of them got any truck with the snowflake lefties or PC Brigade. So what if they open there gob before thinking, take it all with a pinch of salt, Boris and Farage EU bashing together great fun. Bring it on

Reads like a random gammon quote generator.

If I were a Brexiteer, Gove would be the only plausible option, in that he's able to present an intellectual case for leaving the EU, recognises that the Tory party needs to modernise to win a majority again and isn't a pathological liar on the Johnson scale. I suspect and hope that Johnson's terrible standing with Tory MPs will mean there's no way he's making it to final two in a vote.

People overestimate what a mayor can do in London. But vanity projects aside, Johnson's great failings were making a mess of housing delivery (both as an overall figure and the amount that was affordable) and screwing up on air pollution. Livingstone's reforms in 2008 to expand and strengthen the congestion zone were in retrospect really necessary. Johnson effectively did nothing on air quality, which is now being recognised as a disaster.

Needs to modernise my backside. Change Uk are modernises. Heidi Allen and Sarah Woolerstone are modernisers. Nodody listens to them and nobody will vote for them. The left make me laugh. They are happy with Jezza and swinging further left but then want the Tories to modernise and stay in the centre..and lose. The brexit party+ the Tories can win majorities, like thatcher. This country has always learnt to the right. Trouble is, for the last 30 years the right have had nobody to vote for.

[Disoriented]

I’d start with those regions where they lost councillors. Beggars belief that this was possible given the utter shambles that are the Tories. Then I would look at those councils where Tories lost out but people preferred anybody else but Labour. Not difficult really. Want names? Go look up the results, enough of them.

Lazy Prez. The onus is on those who fabricate facts to put up or shut up. As you have been found out in this way in the past, I am not surprised your Tory bias has come back out.

Tory bias. You not been looking at my Boris comments. BoJo being PM scares me as much as JerCo does.

Boris is a bigger risk than JC.

[Byways1]

Boris as PM. Time to emigrate to the jungle like his dad.

God forbid that this nightmare ever comes to fruition. Everything he has ever done has fallen to pieces, He was bombed out of the
Foreign Office for things he said. As the Mayor of London he wasted millions of pounds on Water Cannons which were eventually sold off at a ridiculously low price. Then there were the bendy busses, immediately got rid of by Kahn when he became mayor.
The world would be laughing at us if this fat fek ever gets in.

I think you will find that KL introduced bendy buses and Boris got rid of them.

[Lucky7]

Boris Donald and the geezer from North Korea

The 3 most dangerous hairstyles in the World

[A Pedant]

He is a crack negotiator when the other side has all the cards, though: https://oscoalition.wordpress.com/2018/ ... n-by-2025/

Sorry, I meant cack, not crack, obviously.

[F*ck The Poor & Fat]

Lazy Prez. The onus is on those who fabricate facts to put up or shut up. As you have been found out in this way in the past, I am not surprised your Tory bias has come back out.

Tory bias. You not been looking at my Boris comments. BoJo being PM scares me as much as JerCo does.

Boris is a bigger risk than JC.

As much as I don’t want Boris as PM, JC would be far worse in my opinion.

[Thor]

No it wasnt bendy busses it was his new route masters that stood us in a milllion quid a bus

Wastage of money

Not a million, no.

£354,000 per bus for an initial bulk consignment in 2012 of 600, and approximately £325,000 for an additional 200 in 2014.

That meant each bus was around 50k more then the previous standard bus for the first batch, around 30k for the second.

Saddiq Khan, who cancelled further purchases of the new routemaster above is introducing a new electric bus that comes in around 500k per bus for the 20 ordered.

And for what it's worth Khan, Johnson and Livingstone have all been pretty terrible mayor's for one reason or another and none are remotely likeable.

I loved Ken back in the 80's when he slashed the fares to make going to work affordable for working class people.

Then the Tory controlled Bromley Council took the GLC to Court and raised the fares.

Didn’t the fare increases on all fares stem from central government? Didn’t successive governments both lab and con continue this same program of making the passengers bare the brunt of above inflation increases?

[StillSpike]

Tory bias. You not been looking at my Boris comments. BoJo being PM scares me as much as JerCo does.

Boris is a bigger risk than JC.

As much as I don’t want Boris as PM, JC would be far worse in my opinion.

Can you give some specific examples of the sort of threats you feel from a JC PM-ship, over and above a Boris-PM-ship, please?

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Tory bias. You not been looking at my Boris comments. BoJo being PM scares me as much as JerCo does.

Boris is a bigger risk than JC.

As much as I don’t want Boris as PM, JC would be far worse in my opinion.

Are you in the top 5% of earners? If not, don’t worry.

[Clive Evans]

Watched IDS on the news today.What a hypocritical tw*t. Defended Boris for walking out on the Chequers agreement and the various other Ministers. Then he says, nobody should say they will be unable to work with the new Leader. They must all behave themselves. Sauce for the goose and sauce for the gander. Surprised he has not put his name forward. He was such a success at it last time. I remember when the Tory Party had it's last flirtation with Right Wingers: Hague, IDS & Michael Howard. They really set the World alight.

[Max B Gold]

Not a million, no.

£354,000 per bus for an initial bulk consignment in 2012 of 600, and approximately £325,000 for an additional 200 in 2014.

That meant each bus was around 50k more then the previous standard bus for the first batch, around 30k for the second.

Saddiq Khan, who cancelled further purchases of the new routemaster above is introducing a new electric bus that comes in around 500k per bus for the 20 ordered.

And for what it's worth Khan, Johnson and Livingstone have all been pretty terrible mayor's for one reason or another and none are remotely likeable.

I loved Ken back in the 80's when he slashed the fares to make going to work affordable for working class people.

Then the Tory controlled Bromley Council took the GLC to Court and raised the fares.

Didn’t the fare increases on all fares stem from central government? Didn’t successive governments both lab and con continue this same program of making the passengers bare the brunt of above inflation increases?

I've told you already what actually happended cloth ears. FACTS aren't up for debate and even if they were you would NEVER win.

[Still's Carenae]

I loved Ken back in the 80's when he slashed the fares to make going to work affordable for working class people.

Then the Tory controlled Bromley Council took the GLC to Court and raised the fares.
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Didn’t the fare increases on all fares stem from central government? Didn’t successive governments both lab and con continue this same program of making the passengers bare the brunt of above inflation increases?
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Just checked this out. Every homeowner had a 5% increase in council tax to pay for the price reduction. Bromley took them to court, as there residents did not have direct access to the underground and won.

Something else that I did not know. Andrew Macintosh (described as a moderate) was elected as leader of the glc in 1979, by the public. One day later he was ousted by Labour members who installed Ken Livingstone. Not very democratic.

This gives a much better understanding of why the glc was dissolved.

[Still's Carenae]

Boris is a bigger risk than JC.

As much as I don’t want Boris as PM, JC would be far worse in my opinion.

Are you in the top 5% of earners? If not, don’t worry.

When some of the top 1% move (pay 28% of our taxes) our taxes received will reduce substantially. Therefore it will not be the top 5%, it will become the top 20% who will be affected.

[tuffers#1]

I loved Ken back in the 80's when he slashed the fares to make going to work affordable for working class people.

Then the Tory controlled Bromley Council took the GLC to Court and raised the fares.

Didn’t the fare increases on all fares stem from central government? Didn’t successive governments both lab and con continue this same program of making the passengers bare the brunt of above inflation increases?
[/quote]
Just checked this out. Every homeowner had a 5% increase in council tax to pay for the price reduction. Bromley took them to court, as there residents did not have direct access to the underground and won.

Something else that I did not know. Andrew Macintosh (described as a moderate) was elected as leader of the glc in 1979, by the public. One day later he was ousted by Labour members who installed Ken Livingstone. Not very democratic.

This gives a much better understanding of why the glc was dissolved.
[/quote]

I think you will find he was given a deal for being ousted

" He served as a councillor in the London Borough of Haringey (1964–68). He represented Tottenham on the Greater London Council (1973–83). When Labour won control of the GLC in 1981, McIntosh was leader of the Labour group. A centrist, McIntosh narrowly beat left-winger Ken Livingstone for the leadership. However, the day after Labour won a small majority, he was ousted and Livingstone voted leader of the Labour Group and of the GLC in his place by 30 to 20.

He was raised to the peerage as a life peer on 17 January 1983 as Baron McIntosh of Haringey of Haringey in the County of Greater London. He served as a whip and a culture spokesman in the House of Lords. He was sworn in as a member of the Privy Council in 2002.

Andrew McIntosh was the UK's Minister for the Media and Heritage at the Department for Culture Media and Sport from 2003 to 2005. His responsibilities included broadcasting and press regulation, heritage and architecture, libraries, and gambling regulation. He was also spokesman in the House of Lords for HM Treasury from 1997 to 2005.

In September 2005, he became a member of the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe sitting as Chairman of the Assembly's Committee on Culture, Science and Education from January 2010 and Chairman of its Sub-Committee on the Media from 2008 to 2009.

Following the passing of a resolution on "Threats to the lives and freedom of expression of journalists" on 27 January 2007 the Council of Europe appointed him its rapporteur on media freedom.

McIntosh became an Honorary Associate of the National Secular Society, a Distinguished Supporter of the British Humanist Associationand vice-chair of the All Party Parliamentary Humanist Group " .

[Still's Carenae]

Whatever happened to Ken Livingstone?

[Max B Gold]

I loved Ken back in the 80's when he slashed the fares to make going to work affordable for working class people.

Then the Tory controlled Bromley Council took the GLC to Court and raised the fares.

Didn’t the fare increases on all fares stem from central government? Didn’t successive governments both lab and con continue this same program of making the passengers bare the brunt of above inflation increases?
[/quote]
Just checked this out. Every homeowner had a 5% increase in council tax to pay for the price reduction. Bromley took them to court, as there residents did not have direct access to the underground and won.

Something else that I did not know. Andrew Macintosh (described as a moderate) was elected as leader of the glc in 1979, by the public. One day later he was ousted by Labour members who installed Ken Livingstone. Not very democratic.

This gives a much better understanding of why the glc was dissolved.
[/quote]

Yeah not like the buses or trains ever went to Bromley. It was politically motivated and an attempt by the rich to deny working people travel at a reasonable rate.

[Thor]

What a load of twaddle you come out with max, I’ve not heard anything so ridiculous from you.

Going back to my previous point, you throwing nonsense back at me does not provide a counter to my assertion that successive governments utilised the same policy. But you don’t want to hear it as labour used the same in your eyes hurtful policy.

[CreamofSumYungGai]

As much as I don’t want Boris as PM, JC would be far worse in my opinion.

Are you in the top 5% of earners? If not, don’t worry.

When some of the top 1% move (pay 28% of our taxes) our taxes received will reduce substantially. Therefore it will not be the top 5%, it will become the top 20% who will be affected.

Yeah, right oh.

I’ve no doubt a handful of greedy, anti-social c***s will want to up sticks. Let the parasites go, that’s not the sort of person this country needs.

[Still's Carenae]

So you increase taxes. People who are able leave the country do. Tax revenues fall, government has to borrow to meet gap. Interest has to be paid, increases government spending. Government has to raise tax further, people spend less, companies go out of business, unemployment increases, benefits increase, tax reduces. A vicious cycle.

This is the Laffer curve.

The people who really suffer in the end are the poorest in society, those that we are trying to help.

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Yes, that’s what they want you to think. I understand how the story goes.

Tax them as they leave, that’ll solve that issue.

[Lucky7]

Are you in the top 5% of earners? If not, don’t worry.

When some of the top 1% move (pay 28% of our taxes) our taxes received will reduce substantially. Therefore it will not be the top 5%, it will become the top 20% who will be affected.

Yeah, right oh.

I’ve no doubt a handful of greedy, anti-social fannies will want to up sticks. Let the parasites go, that’s not the sort of person this country needs.

Language please!!!

[CreamofSumYungGai]

Oops, swear filter needs working on, mods.

[tuffers#1]

The Story party getting an absolute kicking .

5th & behind the Green party .

Shocking show.

I doubt they will ever recover , dont deserve to Either to be fair.

Never has a Party bought a Country to a point like this.

In Boxing terms:
Weak & Wobbly looks like its been hit so many times the
Legs are hugely unsteady & ready to go down
The count is at 7 , will they get up before they are counted out for good ?