Conduct charge and Fine

[Ornchurch]

Here's some fun facts for you;

None of the players were displaying Covid symptoms, in fact if you think that only 9 out of the 18 that tested positive were ill to varying levels of degree, that means another 9 didn't even know they had it.

You are only supposed to get a Covid test if you are displaying Covid symptoms. The players weren't so they didn't.

The EFL made it optional for tests, the PFA have gone along with it thus happy for their members to be at risk.

The EFL let the West Ham v Hull game to continue.

West Ham continued to play the game knowing that they could be putting the Hull players at risk.

Both Hull and Brentford refused tests thus Happy to put their own and opposition players at risk.

If we had to put a weaker team out and kept losing, you'd all be moaning.


The point is that whilst it may look like we didn't follow protocols, we followed the government guidelines and the fact is that the EFL and PFA are sitting back and letting players be at risk of catching it and then spreading it to their families.

What I posted clearly shows what the EFL describe as covid related symptoms. Are you really suggesting this bug that was in the club didn't have any of those symptoms? You also ignore the part where 2 players were showing clear signs of the virus on the Friday and the game still went ahead with no tests performed on that day.

As for your last point. Nothing stopped Orient from going above and beyond.

Nothing is stopping every other club in the EFL from going above and beyond either but how many have tested since Tuesday? Are they all negligent as well?

[OyinbO]

Evidently, different people at the Club have already given different accounts in public. And they also don’t match some of the things I’ve been hearing either.

No need to go all R***r about it.

Looks like I’m bang to rights too

[BiggsyMalone]

Imagine it's along the same lines as the rest of the population if you're demonstrating symptoms - isolate and get tested - but with some kind of teeth so that clubs don't do what we've done and press ahead anyway.

There is a perverse advantage to the bulk of our squad getting it in one hit early in the season, assuming that they all recover ok. Reduces the likelihood of this happening over and over again so we avoid fixture congestion later in the season. Really though, this incident is just underlining how impossible this season will be to complete. It's basically a write off and I'd take survival, both as a league team and a functioning club, in a heartbeat.

I wasn’t aware that the players were showing Covid symptoms, I thought they’d said it was just a bug ( I haven’t listened to the interviews or Q and A stuff).

If we had a squad of players with the sweats, consistently coughing and unable to smell or taste and we ignored that, then fair enough.

This is exactly the point.

The graphics have indicated that no temperature, no cough and congestion suggest a cold rather than COVID and no need to test. Too many people are jumping to conclusions.

At the very least now the EFL should insist on all clubs being tested before any more games are played.

It isn’t the point though. The EFL provide guidance to the clubs to follow and clearly it isn’t just those symptoms

[BiggsyMalone]

You sure you want us to be cleared of any wrongdoing?

Nigel isn’t going to nosh you off for not looking at all the details. You prove time and time again how clueless you are.

[Ornchurch]

I wasn’t aware that the players were showing Covid symptoms, I thought they’d said it was just a bug ( I haven’t listened to the interviews or Q and A stuff).

If we had a squad of players with the sweats, consistently coughing and unable to smell or taste and we ignored that, then fair enough.

This is exactly the point.

The graphics have indicated that no temperature, no cough and congestion suggest a cold rather than COVID and no need to test. Too many people are jumping to conclusions.

At the very least now the EFL should insist on all clubs being tested before any more games are played.

It isn’t the point though. The EFL provide guidance to the clubs to follow and clearly it isn’t just those symptoms

Right. In your opinion it is not the point.

Is it also not your opinion that the EFL are negligent by not insisting on all clubs not now being tested given that some other clubs are also now reporting positive tests?

[o-no]

I think the EFL have to be careful here. As Nigel said, if they punish us severely it sends a strong signal that it is better not to voluntarily take tests, which I'm sure most people would agree is not the messaging they ought to be sending. In these tough times a slap on the wrist is appropriate, nothing more.

[BiggsyMalone]

This is exactly the point.

The graphics have indicated that no temperature, no cough and congestion suggest a cold rather than COVID and no need to test. Too many people are jumping to conclusions.

At the very least now the EFL should insist on all clubs being tested before any more games are played.

It isn’t the point though. The EFL provide guidance to the clubs to follow and clearly it isn’t just those symptoms

Right. In your opinion it is not the point.

Is it also not your opinion that the EFL are negligent by not insisting on all clubs not now being tested given that some other clubs are also now reporting positive tests?

The EFL guidelines aren’t my opinion

[tuffers#1]

It isn’t the point though. The EFL provide guidance to the clubs to follow and clearly it isn’t just those symptoms

Right. In your opinion it is not the point.

Is it also not your opinion that the EFL are negligent by not insisting on all clubs not now being tested given that some other clubs are also now reporting positive tests?

The EFL guidelines aren’t my opinion

So what are you talking about then ?

[Ornchurch]

It isn’t the point though. The EFL provide guidance to the clubs to follow and clearly it isn’t just those symptoms

Right. In your opinion it is not the point.

Is it also not your opinion that the EFL are negligent by not insisting on all clubs not now being tested given that some other clubs are also now reporting positive tests?

The EFL guidelines aren’t my opinion

Oh go on. You have an opinion on most other things

[tuffers#1]

Plus the 2 players who showed as symptomatic on the Friday were sent home immediately & did not partake on
Saturday As was clearly stated by Ross on the Q & A

Is not the protocol or rules in the uk that if you have been in contact with a person that is found to be positive or be suspected of having the virus then you have to also isolate for a defined period

If that the case then what happens to the other players and staff that did not get sent home

So why did the West Ham v Hull game get played ?

[spen666]

Not just that - they need to go on the offensive and justify kicking us out of the competition when we were able to play.

You mean apart from not having a ground and or arguably a team. (The latter given they can't apparently field a team today)

Rule 5 1 applies

Still calling Travis a liar? Disgusting.

You are the one mentioning Travis.


If there was a venue & a team available then the game would gave gone ahead.


Don't try to defend the indefensible.

Orient were unable to fulfill the fixture

[spen666]

Plus the 2 players who showed as symptomatic on the Friday were sent home immediately & did not partake on
Saturday As was clearly stated by Ross on the Q & A

Is not the protocol or rules in the uk that if you have been in contact with a person that is found to be positive or be suspected of having the virus then you have to also isolate for a defined period

If that the case then what happens to the other players and staff that did not get sent home

Bizarrely contact on football pitch or in training is not deemed close contact so as to require isolation.....but if a spectator at a game tests positive all other spectators are expected to isolate even though person testing positive may have been at other end of ground and never near you

Players wouldn't need to isolate under government guidance.

The sporting authorities may choose more restrictive measures above and beyond government riles

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

You mean apart from not having a ground and or arguably a team. (The latter given they can't apparently field a team today)

Rule 5 1 applies

Still calling Travis a liar? Disgusting.

You are the one mentioning Travis.


If there was a venue & a team available then the game would gave gone ahead.


Don't try to defend the indefensible.

Orient were unable to fulfill the fixture

Travis started we had a team ready to play the game.

You have suggested - yet again - that wasn’t the case.

I hope the club reads your defamatory comments and takes action against you.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

If I was the efl, I’d be investigating those clubs that were offered a round of testing for free but declined to accept.

[spen666]

Still calling Travis a liar? Disgusting.

You are the one mentioning Travis.


If there was a venue & a team available then the game would gave gone ahead.


Don't try to defend the indefensible.

Orient were unable to fulfill the fixture

Travis started we had a team ready to play the game.

You have suggested - yet again - that wasn’t the case.q

I hope the club reads your defamatory comments and takes action against you.

I won't hold my breath waiting for the writ

If the club want to sue me for defamation, then I am more than happy to give them my details to assist them to serve any writ.



Given I have not accused Travis of lying it is hard to be defamatory.
.also if there was a team available on Tuesday night, where is that team for yodays fane unless you are suggesting Orient have wilfully refused to play today when they gave a team that could play albeit a weakened side.

The latter allegation is far more serious

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Tuesday is not the same as Saturday.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

And you have - repeatedly - refused to accept Travis’ statement that a team was available on Tuesday.

[PutneyO]

If it becomes clear that this crisis is a result of someone's incompetence then they have to resign

[Thor]

We may well of had a team to put out and play as per Nigel however, we didn’t have a ground ready to play on as ours was closed as I understand it by the council and you need your safety certificate to open which is probably what was suspended.

[Thor]

If it becomes clear that this crisis is a result of someone's incompetence then they have to resign

Danny has stated on the Orient hour the players were asymptomatic so why would anyone know that covid was showing as positive in any of the people later identified as being positive?

[spen666]

And you have - repeatedly - refused to accept Travis’ statement that a team was available on Tuesday.

Not agreeing with what someone says is not defamatory

[Long slender neck]

If it becomes clear that this crisis is a result of someone's incompetence then they have to resign

Danny has stated on the Orient hour the players were asymptomatic so why would anyone know that covid was showing as positive in any of the people later identified as being positive?

That's just not consistent with Boss's statement that there was a bug in the camp.

[Ornchurch]

It's seems the route of all the conflicting management rests with Boris and puppets

My friends recently flew back to Jersey from Sydney

They tell me that at Heathrow there was no strict control

On the flight international one they had their own gloves and masks and a visor given to them by the airline company

However on the domestic flight there was not the control and the air hostess had her mask around her neck most of the time - when they said to her she was not setting a good example the hostess denied that she was non compliant and got annoyed - they sent me a picture of the hostess sitting there with the mask on her neck

Also the U.K have no strict quarantine isolation at a hotel like Australia and New Zealand - people can go and isolate under their own control and there is no enforcement

Boris will be judged in history as a total failure

Boris will be judged a lot of things but with COVID he is also working within different constraints to other countries.

Any attempt to crack down hard in this country would be met with Human Rights complaints.

Admittedly this country has brought most of its problems upon itself but we will never see a strong government again.

[Story of O]

If it becomes clear that this crisis is a result of someone's incompetence then they have to resign

Danny has stated on the Orient hour the players were asymptomatic so why would anyone know that covid was showing as positive in any of the people later identified as being positive?

That's just not consistent with Boss's statement that there was a bug in the camp.

A bug could be anything

[Top of the JES]

If it becomes clear that this crisis is a result of someone's incompetence then they have to resign

Danny has stated on the Orient hour the players were asymptomatic so why would anyone know that covid was showing as positive in any of the people later identified as being positive?

With respect to Danny we know players were ill as R-oss said as much in interview after Mansfield/Plymouth - he stated it was non Covid related illness and on hearing that I assumed(wrongly) they had been tested and came back negative. It would have been sensible to test the players that were ill whatever the medical team thought to cover ourselves, not doing so has proved a very costly error.