O's give up on playing Spurs... Allegedly.

[BiggsyMalone]

You've got this backwards.

So what would they have done if they were permitted to play?

More credible that they had an XI who would have undoubtably lost but secured the TV money. They don't want to play this XI in the league and squander 3 points. Although they stupidly are risking a points deduction.

Money over safety then

Which is how we ended up in this situation - Ling (and to a lesser extent Macklin) have executive power to intervene if it looks like ignoring the safety imperative will actually further risk the financial situation, but neither of them had the wit or vision to see that risk. Ling was just simply asleep at the wheel. We'll get censured for this, and rightly so. The financial implications won't be good either. Short-termism costs, every time.

I agree on the whole, I think they just trusted the medical staff. But like you say, everything comes down to money. From saving a a couple of grand testing those players to throwing a load of kids on the pitch against Spurs to make £150k. Every penny counts.

[OyinbO]

Money over safety then

Which is how we ended up in this situation - Ling (and to a lesser extent Macklin) have executive power to intervene if it looks like ignoring the safety imperative will actually further risk the financial situation, but neither of them had the wit or vision to see that risk. Ling was just simply asleep at the wheel. We'll get censured for this, and rightly so. The financial implications won't be good either. Short-termism costs, every time.

I agree on the whole, I think they just trusted the medical staff. But like you say, everything comes down to money. From saving a a couple of grand testing those players to throwing a load of kids on the pitch against Spurs to make £150k. Every penny counts.

Indeed, and if I'm getting paid a six-figure salary at a time when every other sod is having to count the pennies, I'd better be sharp enough to spot these risks when they emerge - and then if we get caught out, to at least front up and explain myself.

[spen666]

Why should Spurs Pay us?
Our medical team have been totally inept!

Not sure there is any evidence to support your claim re medical team. Anyone can catch Covid

Although a number of people were showing symptoms the medical staff didn’t pick up on these apparently.

Medical team wouldn’t do Covid tests

[BiggsyMalone]

Which is how we ended up in this situation - Ling (and to a lesser extent Macklin) have executive power to intervene if it looks like ignoring the safety imperative will actually further risk the financial situation, but neither of them had the wit or vision to see that risk. Ling was just simply asleep at the wheel. We'll get censured for this, and rightly so. The financial implications won't be good either. Short-termism costs, every time.

I agree on the whole, I think they just trusted the medical staff. But like you say, everything comes down to money. From saving a a couple of grand testing those players to throwing a load of kids on the pitch against Spurs to make £150k. Every penny counts.

Indeed, and if I'm getting paid a six-figure salary at a time when every other sod is having to count the pennies, I'd better be sharp enough to spot these risks when they emerge - and then if we get caught out, to at least front up and explain myself.

Can’t disagree with that

[cockhat]

Not sure there is any evidence to support your claim re medical team. Anyone can catch Covid

Although a number of people were showing symptoms the medical staff didn’t pick up on these apparently.

Medical team wouldn’t do Covid tests

Indeed not. However they apparently did a question and answer sheet each morning before training.
Get real if someone had temperature, headaches etc. Then surely these medics should have been concerned!
How many people At the club have tested positive? And how many people have they infected?

[BiggsyMalone]

Although a number of people were showing symptoms the medical staff didn’t pick up on these apparently.

Medical team wouldn’t do Covid tests

Indeed not. However they apparently did a question and answer sheet each morning before training.
Get real if someone had temperature, headaches etc. Then surely these medics should have been concerned!
How many people At the club have tested positive? And how many people have they infected?

I’d love to know what the symptoms of that bug were but we’ll never know because of patient confidentiality

[cockhat]

Medical team wouldn’t do Covid tests

Indeed not. However they apparently did a question and answer sheet each morning before training.
Get real if someone had temperature, headaches etc. Then surely these medics should have been concerned!
How many people At the club have tested positive? And how many people have they infected?

I’d love to know what the symptoms of that bug were but we’ll never know because of patient confidentiality

And Probably inept medical staff! Always better to err on the side of caution.

[AckneyAwks]

You've got this backwards.

So what would they have done if they were permitted to play?

More credible that they had an XI who would have undoubtably lost but secured the TV money. They don't want to play this XI in the league and squander 3 points. Although they stupidly are risking a points deduction.

Money over safety then

Which is how we ended up in this situation - Ling (and to a lesser extent Macklin) have executive power to intervene if it looks like ignoring the safety imperative will actually further risk the financial situation, but neither of them had the wit or vision to see that risk. Ling was just simply asleep at the wheel. We'll get censured for this, and rightly so. The financial implications won't be good either. Short-termism costs, every time.

We shouldant lose points or face any financial sanctions as none of this would have come to light if we werent playing Spurs or a premier league team.
Since the start of the season we have like everyone else followed the rules and guidelines set out by the EFL. No Carabao cup game this week and we would have played Walsall this Saturday, no problem.
I wished people would stop pleading guilty and throwing Orient onto the fire!!
EFL are the problem...proper test everyone else.

[OyinbO]

Money over safety then

Which is how we ended up in this situation - Ling (and to a lesser extent Macklin) have executive power to intervene if it looks like ignoring the safety imperative will actually further risk the financial situation, but neither of them had the wit or vision to see that risk. Ling was just simply asleep at the wheel. We'll get censured for this, and rightly so. The financial implications won't be good either. Short-termism costs, every time.

We shouldant lose points or face any financial sanctions as none of this would have come to light if we werent playing Spurs or a premier league team.
Since the start of the season we have like everyone else followed the rules and guidelines set out by the EFL. No Carabao cup game this week and we would have played Walsall this Saturday, no problem.
I wished people would stop pleading guilty and throwing Orient onto the fire!!
EFL are the problem...proper test everyone else.

"We'd have got away with it if we hadn't been caught!"

jog on

[tuffers#1]

Which is how we ended up in this situation - Ling (and to a lesser extent Macklin) have executive power to intervene if it looks like ignoring the safety imperative will actually further risk the financial situation, but neither of them had the wit or vision to see that risk. Ling was just simply asleep at the wheel. We'll get censured for this, and rightly so. The financial implications won't be good either. Short-termism costs, every time.

We shouldant lose points or face any financial sanctions as none of this would have come to light if we werent playing Spurs or a premier league team.
Since the start of the season we have like everyone else followed the rules and guidelines set out by the EFL. No Carabao cup game this week and we would have played Walsall this Saturday, no problem.
I wished people would stop pleading guilty and throwing Orient onto the fire!!
EFL are the problem...proper test everyone else.

"We'd have got away with it if we hadn't been caught!"

jog on

Had we refused the test , &
Had we not taken the test
Players would not have tested Positive .

Why would it have not been played ?

[Thor]

Serious question.

Let’s say we refused to take the tests, the game gets played loads of players from spurs get covid. Would there have been a potential legal case to answer and or could we be sued for endangerment or some such action!

[tuffers#1]

Are we required by law to take covid tests ?

Is there a reason why EFL tests are different to EPL tests ?

[Thor]

Probably money Tuffers, the haves verses the have nots.

[OyinbO]

Well Travis has successfully dragged you lot into the weeds.

From their own mouths we now know that there were several symptomatic players, beginning a whole week previously, after visiting a known COVID hotspot - and we didn't think to have any of them tested, and we continued to ask them all to come to work throughout this whole period.

We haven't got a leg to stand on in any dispute, civil or criminal. Tonight was just about keeping the fans onside.

[tuffers#1]

Well Travis has successfully dragged you lot into the weeds.

From their own mouths we now know that there were several symptomatic players, beginning a whole week previously, after visiting a known COVID hotspot - and we didn't think to have any of them tested, and we continued to ask them all to come to work throughout this whole period.

We haven't got a leg to stand on in any dispute, civil or criminal. Tonight was just about keeping the fans onside.

Can you give us the time on Q& A vlog where those words came out of his mouth ?

[tuffers#1]

Probably money Tuffers, the haves verses the have nots.

Probably

Doesnt mean we did anything wrong as we followed EFL & Goverment guidelines
So no potential for spurs against us .
Maybe against the EFL & secondarily us .

[Real Al]

Well Travis has successfully dragged you lot into the weeds.

From their own mouths we now know that there were several symptomatic players, beginning a whole week previously, after visiting a known COVID hotspot - and we didn't think to have any of them tested, and we continued to ask them all to come to work throughout this whole period.

We haven't got a leg to stand on in any dispute, civil or criminal. Tonight was just about keeping the fans onside.

Gotta say Francesco, your English has improved.

[AckneyAwks]

Which is how we ended up in this situation - Ling (and to a lesser extent Macklin) have executive power to intervene if it looks like ignoring the safety imperative will actually further risk the financial situation, but neither of them had the wit or vision to see that risk. Ling was just simply asleep at the wheel. We'll get censured for this, and rightly so. The financial implications won't be good either. Short-termism costs, every time.

We shouldant lose points or face any financial sanctions as none of this would have come to light if we werent playing Spurs or a premier league team.
Since the start of the season we have like everyone else followed the rules and guidelines set out by the EFL. No Carabao cup game this week and we would have played Walsall this Saturday, no problem.
I wished people would stop pleading guilty and throwing Orient onto the fire!!
EFL are the problem...proper test everyone else.

"We'd have got away with it if we hadn't been caught!"

jog on

Thats not what i'm saying...we took a test at the request of Spurs which is the English Premier League type test other EFL teams playing premier league opponents did not or refused to take same test.
The EFL test is of a lesser standard and apparently is hardly taken at all. The EFL should have addressed this or stop playing games. Dont just pin everything on Orient although they need to answer some serious questions.
Culmination of faults all round.

[tuffers#1]

We shouldant lose points or face any financial sanctions as none of this would have come to light if we werent playing Spurs or a premier league team.
Since the start of the season we have like everyone else followed the rules and guidelines set out by the EFL. No Carabao cup game this week and we would have played Walsall this Saturday, no problem.
I wished people would stop pleading guilty and throwing Orient onto the fire!!
EFL are the problem...proper test everyone else.

"We'd have got away with it if we hadn't been caught!"

jog on

Thats not what i'm saying...we took a test at the request of Spurs which is the English Premier League type test other EFL teams playing premier league opponents did not or refused to take same test.
The EFL test is of a lesser standard and apparently is hardly taken at all. The EFL should have addressed this or stop playing games. Dont just pin everything on Orient although they need to answer some serious questions.
Culmination of faults all round.

We arent getting punished for the Walsall postponement

[Disoriented]

There are many views on this subject -
All parties really need to go back to the core of the virus impact on the country from the start and integrate all parties responsibility from there -
1. Government
2. WHO
3. All legislation passed including recommendations or guidelines
4. EFL
5. Lofc

Then we see and can work out if lofc made the correct decisions at critical times or milestones - transparency on decisions will be paramount.

We need to all be a solid group on this and focused solely on our best wishes for all affected

Developments in the country and the football environment will be a moving saga now

Have you tried Saga out yet fella?

[OyinbO]

Yes, I saw that Travis tried to kick the blame up to the government etc. Far be it from me to try and defend those venal gangsters, but people at the club need to be accountable for this too. Teague was just about the only one who even hinted that the club should accept some responsibility.

Just as our government can already be shown to be handling this issue particularly badly, as our excess deaths per head of popn and economic performance are worse than almost all comparable countries, LOFC may well turn out to be not just the first EFL club to get found out, but the one with the single highest number of confirmed infections at the same time.

We've had a shocker here, and Travis knows it. He's just showing how good he is at crisis management.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Serious question.

Let’s say we refused to take the tests, the game gets played loads of players from spurs get covid. Would there have been a potential legal case to answer and or could we be sued for endangerment or some such action!

No because you can’t prove where it was caught.

We were offered the chance to test, of course we were right to take the opportunity.

It’s scandalous that other clubs are refusing to, they are the ones who should be looked at.

[spen666]

.....

5.2.2
You claim the Ground was closed by Public Health & we could not use the ground because Public Helth deemd it unsafe .

Public Health did not deem it safe or unsafe
LOFC closed the ground .

....

N ACCORDANCE WITH CARABAO CUP RULES, TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR HAVE BEEN AWARDED WITH A BYE TO PROGRESS TO ROUND FOUR OF THE CARABAO CUP AND WILL NOW PLAY CHELSEA ON TUESDAY 29 SEPTEMBER.
The Round Three tie scheduled for Tuesday 22 September between Leyton Orient and Tottenham Hotspur could not take place following the issue by Waltham Forest Borough Council of an order preventing the match being played as planned. This followed a number of Leyton Orient players testing positive for COVID-19.

The EFL Board has determined that in line with Carabao Cup Rule 5.1, the Club was unable to fulfil its obligations to complete the fixture by virtue of the Council’s order and shall therefore forfeit the tie.

https://www.leytonorient.com/2020/09/25 ... hotspur-2/


Any comment Tuffers or are Orient now not telling the truth?

[tuffers#1]

.....

5.2.2
You claim the Ground was closed by Public Health & we could not use the ground because Public Helth deemd it unsafe .

Public Health did not deem it safe or unsafe
LOFC closed the ground .

....

N ACCORDANCE WITH CARABAO CUP RULES, TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR HAVE BEEN AWARDED WITH A BYE TO PROGRESS TO ROUND FOUR OF THE CARABAO CUP AND WILL NOW PLAY CHELSEA ON TUESDAY 29 SEPTEMBER.
The Round Three tie scheduled for Tuesday 22 September between Leyton Orient and Tottenham Hotspur could not take place following the issue by Waltham Forest Borough Council of an order preventing the match being played as planned. This followed a number of Leyton Orient players testing positive for COVID-19.

The EFL Board has determined that in line with Carabao Cup Rule 5.1, the Club was unable to fulfil its obligations to complete the fixture by virtue of the Council’s order and shall therefore forfeit the tie.

https://www.leytonorient.com/2020/09/25 ... hotspur-2/


Any comment Tuffers or are Orient now not telling the truth?

Yes Spen
1. LOFC closed the ground on Monday for a "deep Clean "
am & Contacted Public Health as reported in the press.

2. Public Health did not respond to LOFC until
3pm tuesday & with a Notice the ground was Closed from
3pm to 10.am wednesday morning as stated by NIgel Travis on the Q& A

3 . He also stated that the Referee & THFC & Sky knew the game had been
postponed before the Home Club had been notified .

Sounds like LBWF caved to outside pressure in my Opinion .


If you want to take anything else up with Nigel's Comments
then listen to them here


You may be able to take him to court for SLANDER if
you wish .

[spen666]

.....

5.2.2
You claim the Ground was closed by Public Health & we could not use the ground because Public Helth deemd it unsafe .

Public Health did not deem it safe or unsafe
LOFC closed the ground .

....

N ACCORDANCE WITH CARABAO CUP RULES, TOTTENHAM HOTSPUR HAVE BEEN AWARDED WITH A BYE TO PROGRESS TO ROUND FOUR OF THE CARABAO CUP AND WILL NOW PLAY CHELSEA ON TUESDAY 29 SEPTEMBER.
The Round Three tie scheduled for Tuesday 22 September between Leyton Orient and Tottenham Hotspur could not take place following the issue by Waltham Forest Borough Council of an order preventing the match being played as planned. This followed a number of Leyton Orient players testing positive for COVID-19.

The EFL Board has determined that in line with Carabao Cup Rule 5.1, the Club was unable to fulfil its obligations to complete the fixture by virtue of the Council’s order and shall therefore forfeit the tie.

https://www.leytonorient.com/2020/09/25 ... hotspur-2/


Any comment Tuffers or are Orient now not telling the truth?

Yes Spen
1. LOFC closed the ground on Monday for a "deep Clean "
am & Contacted Public Health as reported in the press.

2. Public Health did not respond to LOFC until
3pm tuesday & with a Notice the ground was Closed from
3pm to 10.am wednesday morning as stated by NIgel Travis on the Q& A

3 . He also stated that the Referee & THFC & Sky knew the game had been
postponed before the Home Club had been notified .

Sounds like LBWF caved to outside pressure in my Opinion .


If you want to take anything else up with Nigel's Comments
then listen to them here


You may be able to take him to court for SLANDER if
you wish .

But it was nothing to do with PHWF according to you yesterday