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Did he become an upholsterer after his playing career ended?
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Did he become an upholsterer after his playing career ended?

Wikipedia again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lazarus

Later life ...After his footballer career was over, he became a minder for snooker players, including Steve Davis at the time of his loss to Dennis Taylor in the 1985 World Snooker Championship final.[14] As of 2007, he ran a haulage firm in Romford.
Lazarus was named in a list of the top 100 Queens Park Rangers players of all time, constructed by the club's historian in 2007.[4]
Personal life. He married his wife Fay in 1959, and has two children and five grandchildren. His nephew is former Leyton Orient footballer Bobby Fisher.
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Bobby Fisher was never the same once he chucked it all in for chess.
He simply became a mere pawn.
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Disoriented wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:18 pm Bobby Fisher was never the same once he chucked it all in for chess.
He simply became a mere pawn.
You mean he was OK as a ROOKie but unlikely to get knighted for services to football
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Sid Bishop wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:03 pm
Thor wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 8:58 pm Did he become an upholsterer after his playing career ended?

Wikipedia again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lazarus

Later life ...After his footballer career was over, he became a minder for snooker players, including Steve Davis at the time of his loss to Dennis Taylor in the 1985 World Snooker Championship final.[14] As of 2007, he ran a haulage firm in Romford.
Lazarus was named in a list of the top 100 Queens Park Rangers players of all time, constructed by the club's historian in 2007.[4]
Personal life. He married his wife Fay in 1959, and has two children and five grandchildren. His nephew is former Leyton Orient footballer Bobby Fisher.
Removals, not haulage. Wiki needs an update.
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Buddy Manucci wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:39 pm
Sid Bishop wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:03 pm
Thor wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 8:58 pm Did he become an upholsterer after his playing career ended?

Wikipedia again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lazarus

Later life ...After his footballer career was over, he became a minder for snooker players, including Steve Davis at the time of his loss to Dennis Taylor in the 1985 World Snooker Championship final.[14] As of 2007, he ran a haulage firm in Romford.
Lazarus was named in a list of the top 100 Queens Park Rangers players of all time, constructed by the club's historian in 2007.[4]
Personal life. He married his wife Fay in 1959, and has two children and five grandchildren. His nephew is former Leyton Orient footballer Bobby Fisher.
Removals, not haulage. Wiki needs an update.
You could always contact them with this update. See top right hand side of the Wikipedia Mark Lazarus and click ''Edit''
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Thor wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 8:58 pm Did he become an upholsterer after his playing career ended?
Really good article here about Mark Lazarus. Footballing legend of 50 years ago cost £27,500

MARK LAZARUS: SIMON YAFFE hears what it was like to play before the onset of the millionaire stars
THE accent is old school East End, reminiscent of a bygone era and a defiant spirit during the Blitz.

https://www.jewishtelegraph.com/prof_106.html
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dOh Nut wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:21 pm
Disoriented wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:18 pm Bobby Fisher was never the same once he chucked it all in for chess.
He simply became a mere pawn.
You mean he was OK as a ROOKie but unlikely to get knighted for services to football
True. Spent too much time in his castle to make a success of it.

I heard he became a Bishop as he was inspired by Alan Comfort.
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FargO wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 7:34 pm Mark Lazarus - built like a boxer, had a strange style of running with raised elbows and a rocket of a shot. My first Orient hero.
Good article about Mark Lazarus. https://www.jewishtelegraph.com/prof_106.html
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Bobby Fisher is one of my all time favourite players to represent this club. As a boy I used to look up to him and admire him.
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Thor wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:51 pm Bobby Fisher is one of my all time favourite players to represent this club. As a boy I used to look up to him and admire him.
He was a decent player as was his Czech mate whose name escapes me.
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Thor wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:51 pm Bobby Fisher is one of my all time favourite players to represent this club. As a boy I used to look up to him and admire him.
Skillful fullback. Did you ever see Dennis Rofe play?
He was something else, my all time favourite Orient fullback.
Unlucky not to get a full England cap.
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Sid Bishop wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:58 pm
Thor wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:51 pm Bobby Fisher is one of my all time favourite players to represent this club. As a boy I used to look up to him and admire him.
Skillful fullback. Did you ever see Dennis Rofe play?
He was something else, my all time favourite Orient fullback.
Unlucky not to get a full England cap.
Good player. Seem to recall that originally Leicester wanted fellow O, Bob Smoothe, but the club said Dennis had to be part of the deal as they had to take the Rofe with the Smoothe.
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Disoriented wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:18 pm Bobby Fisher was never the same once he chucked it all in for chess.
He simply became a mere pawn.
Him and Gerry QUEEN in the same side, not managed by KenKNIGHTon.
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banqo wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 10:13 pm
Disoriented wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:18 pm Bobby Fisher was never the same once he chucked it all in for chess.
He simply became a mere pawn.
Him and Gerry QUEEN in the same side, not managed by KenKNIGHTon.
This topic is becoming a bit stalemate
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Sid Bishop wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:58 pm
Thor wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:51 pm Bobby Fisher is one of my all time favourite players to represent this club. As a boy I used to look up to him and admire him.
Skillful fullback. Did you ever see Dennis Rofe play?
He was something else, my all time favourite Orient fullback.
Unlucky not to get a full England cap.
No I never saw him as I was too young when he played for us. My dad always said he was a brilliant player, and a local lad to boot.
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Thor wrote: Thu May 23, 2019 8:20 am
Sid Bishop wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:58 pm
Thor wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:51 pm Bobby Fisher is one of my all time favourite players to represent this club. As a boy I used to look up to him and admire him.
Skillful fullback. Did you ever see Dennis Rofe play?
He was something else, my all time favourite Orient fullback.
Unlucky not to get a full England cap.
No I never saw him as I was too young when he played for us. My dad always said he was a brilliant player, and a local lad to boot.
Yes Dennis Rofe was born in Epping. At that time, Jimmy Bloomfield was the manager and we had 18 year old Dennis playing at left back and 17 year old Tommy Taylor playing as central defender. 2 amazing young players who both ended up playing for first division clubs for a good amount of years.
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It's a shame when you think of the players who we've had at one time or another come through the youth team who never had their best years with us.

That's the pain point of being in the shadow of our bigger neighbours.
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Sid Bishop wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 8:45 pm
FargO wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 7:34 pm Mark Lazarus - built like a boxer, had a strange style of running with raised elbows and a rocket of a shot. My first Orient hero.
I thought he looked well past it when he came back to the Os in 1969, but once he got his fitness back, he became a hero of mine also. Two ''Oldies'' on each wing who were complete opposites in style and personality, Mark was a rough diamond, not the type of man who would mess with !! He played on the right wing, all passion, fire and fury and YES, a rocket of a shot !! Peter Brabrook on the left wing was a real Mr Smooth, always looked immaculate when on the pitch, every hair in place !! Peter had lost a bit of pace since his peak, but all style and class ( ex England International ) . When I think of all the excuses for Gorman and Simpson not having enough time to get really match fit, despite all the time spent training, well Mark Lazarus as I recall, came to us looking really unfit and past it ( he was 31 years old at the time, but within 4 or 5 matches, he was up, running and flying !! Remember the famous
Celebrations of running all round the pitch when he scored, what a LEGEND !!

Mark WAS a boxer when young as were his Brothers, see Wikipedia below !!

Another bit of information here ''After he moved back to Orient for a fee of £8,000, in October 1969''
Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lazarus
Lazarus, who was Jewish, was born on 5 December 1938 in Stepney, London. He said, of growing up in a Jewish family, "There was no antisemitism in the East End – that came later when we moved to Chadwell Heath, in Essex, when I was six. We were the only Jewish family in the area and I had fights every day on the way to school." Two of his brothers were boxers, one of whom, Lew Lazar, fought for the British title at welterweight and middleweight. He initially followed his brothers into boxing, having fought a few amateur fights. At the request of his father Isaac, he became an apprentice upholsterer in order to ensure that he had a trade once any potential sporting career ended.''
After his football career ended he became a removals expert, actually turned up at my fathers removal from Upminster to Hornchurch
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point nine one eight wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 1:32 am
Sid Bishop wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 8:45 pm
FargO wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 7:34 pm Mark Lazarus - built like a boxer, had a strange style of running with raised elbows and a rocket of a shot. My first Orient hero.
I thought he looked well past it when he came back to the Os in 1969, but once he got his fitness back, he became a hero of mine also. Two ''Oldies'' on each wing who were complete opposites in style and personality, Mark was a rough diamond, not the type of man who would mess with !! He played on the right wing, all passion, fire and fury and YES, a rocket of a shot !! Peter Brabrook on the left wing was a real Mr Smooth, always looked immaculate when on the pitch, every hair in place !! Peter had lost a bit of pace since his peak, but all style and class ( ex England International ) . When I think of all the excuses for Gorman and Simpson not having enough time to get really match fit, despite all the time spent training, well Mark Lazarus as I recall, came to us looking really unfit and past it ( he was 31 years old at the time, but within 4 or 5 matches, he was up, running and flying !! Remember the famous
Celebrations of running all round the pitch when he scored, what a LEGEND !!

Mark WAS a boxer when young as were his Brothers, see Wikipedia below !!

Another bit of information here ''After he moved back to Orient for a fee of £8,000, in October 1969''
Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lazarus
Lazarus, who was Jewish, was born on 5 December 1938 in Stepney, London. He said, of growing up in a Jewish family, "There was no antisemitism in the East End – that came later when we moved to Chadwell Heath, in Essex, when I was six. We were the only Jewish family in the area and I had fights every day on the way to school." Two of his brothers were boxers, one of whom, Lew Lazar, fought for the British title at welterweight and middleweight. He initially followed his brothers into boxing, having fought a few amateur fights. At the request of his father Isaac, he became an apprentice upholsterer in order to ensure that he had a trade once any potential sporting career ended.''
After his football career ended he became a removals expert, actually turned up at my fathers removal from Upminster to Hornchurch
Yes @Buddy Manucci wrote much the same in a comment above, e.g Removals, not haulage. Wiki needs an update.
To which I replied ''You could always contact them with this update. See top right hand side of the Wikipedia Mark Lazarus and click ''Edit''
Same goes for yourself, If you would like to update the Wikipedia Mark Lazarus information, then you or anyone else can always go to the link and update the information. Thank you for your feedback !!
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Sid Bishop wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:58 pm
Thor wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:51 pm Bobby Fisher is one of my all time favourite players to represent this club. As a boy I used to look up to him and admire him.
Skillful fullback. Did you ever see Dennis Rofe play?
He was something else, my all time favourite Orient fullback.
Unlucky not to get a full England cap.
My favourite as well Sid just loved the way he played, my second favourite Matty Lockwood
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point nine one eight wrote: Fri May 24, 2019 11:22 am
Sid Bishop wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:58 pm
Thor wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 9:51 pm Bobby Fisher is one of my all time favourite players to represent this club. As a boy I used to look up to him and admire him.
Skillful fullback. Did you ever see Dennis Rofe play?
He was something else, my all time favourite Orient fullback.
Unlucky not to get a full England cap.
My favourite as well Sid just loved the way he played, my second favourite Matty Lockwood
Different styles but two excellent left backs.
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