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Re: JUDD BID

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Jaggsy1979 wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:04 am The Twitter account that posted this specialises in talking utter bollocks - they posted about 2 months ago saying we had SIGNED (not just interested in or made an offer) Winger Elliott Freer from Forest Green Rovers on a 2 year deal with an option for a third, which obviously, we hadn't

I'd take no notice of this at all
We shall see but I would be pleased for Myles Judd if this rumored transfer did come to pass. I think he needs a new chance at a new club as his progression has stalled in the last few years since Sam Ling was brought in as the number one choice for the right back position.
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Re: JUDD BID

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Jaggsy1979 wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:04 am The Twitter account that posted this specialises in talking utter bollocks - they posted about 2 months ago saying we had SIGNED (not just interested in or made an offer) Winger Elliott Freer from Forest Green Rovers on a 2 year deal with an option for a third, which obviously, we hadn't

I'd take no notice of this at all
It doesn't ever stop people from taking these as gospel truth and having a pop over them for whatever reason, no matter how many times these are wrong.
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Re: JUDD BID

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RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:21 pm It would make perfect sense to let the better of our two RB's to leave . :roll:
We have three right backs now and you have no idea if Judd is better than the new guy.
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Re: JUDD BID

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Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:17 am
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:21 pm It would make perfect sense to let the better of our two RB's to leave . :roll:
We have three right backs now and you have no idea if Judd is better than the new guy.
you know full well what he means.
Once again youre being a smart-arse :clown
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Re: JUDD BID

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ComeOnYouOs wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:43 am
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:17 am
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:21 pm It would make perfect sense to let the better of our two RB's to leave . :roll:
We have three right backs now and you have no idea if Judd is better than the new guy.
you know full well what he means.
Once again youre being a smart-arse :clown
What does he mean then?

I'd rather be a smart arse than just an arse like you.
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Re: JUDD BID

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Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:48 am
ComeOnYouOs wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:43 am
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:17 am

We have three right backs now and you have no idea if Judd is better than the new guy.
you know full well what he means.
Once again youre being a smart-arse :clown
What does he mean then?

I'd rather be a smart arse than just an arse like you.
what a prize tw*t you are....at least you admit to being a smart arse
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Re: JUDD BID

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Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:17 am
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:21 pm It would make perfect sense to let the better of our two RB's to leave . :roll:
We have three right backs now and you have no idea if Judd is better than the new guy.
I mean't players that were actually ours and not on loan. Also, having watched Ling and Judd play multiple times now , IMO Judd is definitely a better RB than Ling.
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Re: JUDD BID

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RedO wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:41 pm
redintheface wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:31 pm
RedO wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:27 pm No idea if there’s any truth to this but yeah, I think it’s best for all parties if he does go. Ling isn’t going anywhere and Myles is just going to stagnate or go backwards if he stays.

They’re L1 ain’t they? He’d be decent cover at that level.
Begs the question, why could he not be decent cover with us at L2 level then?
I think he’s better than that.

I can’t explain why others don’t.
Maybe because we saw Bobby Fisher & Kevin Hales , then those that were lucky to see the 60s teams
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Re: JUDD BID

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ComeOnYouOs wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:52 am
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:48 am
ComeOnYouOs wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:43 am
you know full well what he means.
Once again youre being a smart-arse :clown
What does he mean then?

I'd rather be a smart arse than just an arse like you.
what a prize tw*t you are....at least you admit to being a smart arse
I didn't admit to anything. I said I'd rather be a smart arse than an arse like you.


RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:35 pm
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:17 am
RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:21 pm It would make perfect sense to let the better of our two RB's to leave . :roll:
We have three right backs now and you have no idea if Judd is better than the new guy.
I mean't players that were actually ours and not on loan. Also, having watched Ling and Judd play multiple times now , IMO Judd is definitely a better RB than Ling.
We have three dedicated right backs along with Turley and Clay who can play there. Ling and Judd are similar ability wise (albeit with differing attributes) - there isn't much inbetween them really. If an offer comes in to move either of them then it makes sense to take it if desirable so that money can be redeployed elsewhere in the squad or to recoup losses as a result of the revenue shortfall this season. We can't accommodate three right backs in the matchday squad.

As the younger player Judd is more likely to attract offers based on potential to develop, but that doesn't mean he has an especially high ceiling just because he's a young. Even if you think he's a slightly better player than Ling that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad move to sell him because of how many games the backup right back is likely to play and the fact he just clearly isn't in favour for whatever reason.
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Re: JUDD BID

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Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:33 pm
ComeOnYouOs wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:52 am
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:48 am

What does he mean then?

I'd rather be a smart arse than just an arse like you.
what a prize tw*t you are....at least you admit to being a smart arse
I didn't admit to anything. I said I'd rather be a smart arse than an arse like you.


RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:35 pm
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:17 am

We have three right backs now and you have no idea if Judd is better than the new guy.
I mean't players that were actually ours and not on loan. Also, having watched Ling and Judd play multiple times now , IMO Judd is definitely a better RB than Ling.
We have three dedicated right backs along with Turley and Clay who can play there. Ling and Judd are similar ability wise (albeit with differing attributes) - there isn't much inbetween them really. If an offer comes in to move either of them then it makes sense to take it if desirable so that money can be redeployed elsewhere in the squad or to recoup losses as a result of the revenue shortfall this season. We can't accommodate three right backs in the matchday squad.

As the younger player Judd is more likely to attract offers based on potential to develop, but that doesn't mean he has an especially high ceiling just because he's a young. Even if you think he's a slightly better player than Ling that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad move to sell him because of how many games the backup right back is likely to play and the fact he just clearly isn't in favour for whatever reason.
I disagree with your assertion that Judd and Ling are similar ability wise. But if we go with that as correct, then given Judd is only just 21 whereas Ling shortly turns 24, then it’s clear Judd has more time to develop and will ultimately be the better player. So it makes sense to hold onto him if possible.

The problem is there will be takers for Myles. There won’t for Sam.
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Re: JUDD BID

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RedO wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:02 pm
Smendrick Feaselberg wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:33 pm
ComeOnYouOs wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:52 am
what a prize tw*t you are....at least you admit to being a smart arse
I didn't admit to anything. I said I'd rather be a smart arse than an arse like you.


RedDwarf 1881 wrote: Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:35 pm

I mean't players that were actually ours and not on loan. Also, having watched Ling and Judd play multiple times now , IMO Judd is definitely a better RB than Ling.
We have three dedicated right backs along with Turley and Clay who can play there. Ling and Judd are similar ability wise (albeit with differing attributes) - there isn't much inbetween them really. If an offer comes in to move either of them then it makes sense to take it if desirable so that money can be redeployed elsewhere in the squad or to recoup losses as a result of the revenue shortfall this season. We can't accommodate three right backs in the matchday squad.

As the younger player Judd is more likely to attract offers based on potential to develop, but that doesn't mean he has an especially high ceiling just because he's a young. Even if you think he's a slightly better player than Ling that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad move to sell him because of how many games the backup right back is likely to play and the fact he just clearly isn't in favour for whatever reason.
I disagree with your assertion that Judd and Ling are similar ability wise. But if we go with that as correct, then given Judd is only just 21 whereas Ling shortly turns 24, then it’s clear Judd has more time to develop and will ultimately be the better player. So it makes sense to hold onto him if possible.

The problem is there will be takers for Myles. There won’t for Sam.
Yep. He'll have takers based on potential whereas Ling isn't going to offer much more than he does so will have far less appeal. But that doesn't necessarily mean he will develop a great deal more, which is the risk with potential.

In this case agree that potential should be the tie breaker but with three right backs and Judd out of favour then it makes sense to redeploy a salary that won't be in the matchday squad into a player who will be or recoup lost revenue.
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Re: JUDD BID

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Sure.

However, I bet there is no comparison between their wages either...
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Yep, also a fair point.
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