A Level results.

[tuffers#1]

I agree with the sentiment! But not sure its so true anymore. These kids are entering a terribly difficult workforce and very few places accept unsolicited applications or non-application form CV's, handed in etc. Now it's all 'go online and fill in the form' and if a big chunk of that is vacant or deemed poor in education by some recruiter they get ignored. I do agree with you in general though, but think it's more appropriate for our generations, not so much the kids now. Bless em. I worked with a company recently looking for a designer with a first from at least one of the top 10 art/illustration Uni's in the country, plus 3 years work experience...18k p.a. It's so tough for them.

Great stuff Top of. You must be super proud.

Yeah, I think you are right. My sister just finished uni and cant get anything without experience.

But i'm not convinced it was much different 15 years ago when i started my career. I was so frustrated that everywhere was looking for experience and i didnt have any. I think ultimately, you just need someone to give you a chance and then build on that with hard work.

I think where I'm mainly coming from is that the work people do is so diverse compared to even 10 years ago. There's also many more ways of learning the skills you need than a degree. For example, I know many employers dont even look at qualifications for certain techy jobs, it's all just the skill base. Data scientists is where a lot of people think the need will be in the coming years. So people are doing online courses, coding at home, doing their own analysis and building things like machine learning tools off of free software. Ultimately, if you spend 3 years doing that and can demonstrate that I dont think people necessarily care about your qualifications.

Spot on.

Unless it’s in a STEM field or law, a uni degree means pretty much f*** all. My degree can get me a job for under £35k pa but not a career. I spent years moving between jobs not getting anywhere before taking an online certification in web development. Since then I’ve more than doubled my salary and now run my own company, in less time than my whole degree took.

It’s only benefit is helping you find a first job out of uni which (unnecessary) lists a degree as a requirement, but chances are it’ll be a sh*t job putting numbers into a spreadsheet anyway. And most graduates I’ve met can’t even do that properly, or type 50WPM LOL

My sister who has a degree but not in any of the fields you have mentioned
Pulls in just over 100k a year .

Maybe you arent looking at the right figures

[Long slender neck]

And yet left you on your last 50p not long ago?

[Millennial Snowflake]

Making exam results void this year would’ve been the fairest thing to do imo

Really, how would that help the 400,000 or so pupils who needed grades to get into a University? Many who have worked really hard to achieve the best Grade possible.

Obviously it wouldn’t affect their uni place as unis would have to make all their offers unconditional. Its not perfect but surely better than some poor fanny who’s worked really hard, got an A in his mock and predicted A* only to end up with a C and missing out on a place

[tuffers#1]

And yet left you on your last 50p not long ago?

She gives where she can

Private education for a child with health difficulties dont come cheap.

The other sister who earned 6 figures right upto last year before retirement
also helps out , & again is dealing with her other half suffering with
Parkinsons disease .

Still you carry on making your Snide comments fellow

[tuffers#1]

Making exam results void this year would’ve been the fairest thing to do imo

Really, how would that help the 400,000 or so pupils who needed grades to get into a University? Many who have worked really hard to achieve the best Grade possible.

Obviously it wouldn’t affect their uni place as unis would have to make all their offers unconditional. Its not perfect but surely better than some poor fanny who’s worked really hard, got an A in his mock and predicted A* only to end up with a C and missing out on a place

Why would the Universities drop there standards to placate a government f*ck up ?

Surely its easier to let teachers re grade results so the right people get to right place in Higher education.

[Long slender neck]

And yet left you on your last 50p not long ago?

She gives where she can

Private education for a child with health difficulties dont come cheap.

The other sister who earned 6 figures right upto last year before retirement
also helps out , & again is dealing with her other half suffering with
Parkinsons disease .

Still you carry on making your Snide comments fellow

Just thinking of you chum.

[NuneatonO's]

When the algorithm was road-tested on last years' results, it was clearly not fit for purpose.

Teachers' predicted grades have also proven to be much more accurate.



Not according to this man:

Boris Johnson has shrugged off protests that the A-levels process has been a fiasco, describing the results as “robust” and “dependable”.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 69131.html

Not everyone is disappointed of course!


With disadvantaged students disproportionately affected by the downgrading of ‘A’ Level results, Sam Bright explores the real algorithm which has been sorting pupils on the basis of background all along…
https://bylinetimes.com/2020/08/14/exam ... ritocracy/

[Clive Evans]

I would love to see the grades the Eton students got!

[tuffers#1]

And yet left you on your last 50p not long ago?

She gives where she can

Private education for a child with health difficulties dont come cheap.

The other sister who earned 6 figures right upto last year before retirement
also helps out , & again is dealing with her other half suffering with
Parkinsons disease .

Still you carry on making your Snide comments fellow

Just thinking of you chum.

Admin is spot on about you having some sort of a sense of humour

[Millennial Snowflake]

Why would the Universities drop there standards to placate a government f*ck up ?

Surely its easier to let teachers re grade results so the right people get to right place in Higher education.

The issue is that unis over-offer on the basis some prospective students won’t get the grades and some will defer. I don’t really see it as lowering their standards. One college at oxford has already decided to make all offers unconditional

Problem with going off teacher grades is that teachers have a tendency to over predict their students

[Millennial Snowflake]

Yeah, I think you are right. My sister just finished uni and cant get anything without experience.

But i'm not convinced it was much different 15 years ago when i started my career. I was so frustrated that everywhere was looking for experience and i didnt have any. I think ultimately, you just need someone to give you a chance and then build on that with hard work.

I think where I'm mainly coming from is that the work people do is so diverse compared to even 10 years ago. There's also many more ways of learning the skills you need than a degree. For example, I know many employers dont even look at qualifications for certain techy jobs, it's all just the skill base. Data scientists is where a lot of people think the need will be in the coming years. So people are doing online courses, coding at home, doing their own analysis and building things like machine learning tools off of free software. Ultimately, if you spend 3 years doing that and can demonstrate that I dont think people necessarily care about your qualifications.

Spot on.

Unless it’s in a STEM field or law, a uni degree means pretty much f*** all. My degree can get me a job for under £35k pa but not a career. I spent years moving between jobs not getting anywhere before taking an online certification in web development. Since then I’ve more than doubled my salary and now run my own company, in less time than my whole degree took.

It’s only benefit is helping you find a first job out of uni which (unnecessary) lists a degree as a requirement, but chances are it’ll be a sh*t job putting numbers into a spreadsheet anyway. And most graduates I’ve met can’t even do that properly, or type 50WPM LOL

My sister who has a degree but not in any of the fields you have mentioned
Pulls in just over 100k a year .

Maybe you arent looking at the right figures

What degree does your sister have? Is it relevant to her job in any way?

[NuneatonO's]

Problem with going off teacher grades is that teachers have a tendency to over predict their students

If you bothered to watch the above clip (which I doubt) and read the majority of news articles about predictive grading, they blow your statement completely out of the water.

Let's blame the teachers, not the Government eh? That's just so much easier.

[tuffers#1]

Spot on.

Unless it’s in a STEM field or law, a uni degree means pretty much f*** all. My degree can get me a job for under £35k pa but not a career. I spent years moving between jobs not getting anywhere before taking an online certification in web development. Since then I’ve more than doubled my salary and now run my own company, in less time than my whole degree took.

It’s only benefit is helping you find a first job out of uni which (unnecessary) lists a degree as a requirement, but chances are it’ll be a sh*t job putting numbers into a spreadsheet anyway. And most graduates I’ve met can’t even do that properly, or type 50WPM LOL

My sister who has a degree but not in any of the fields you have mentioned
Pulls in just over 100k a year .

Maybe you arent looking at the right figures

What degree does your sister have? Is it relevant to her job in any way?

Yup i also have a cousin who has a degree in ppe & earnt
Just under 6 figures until he retired.5 years ago at age 55

My sisters degrees
1 from RSAMD ( The Royal conservatoire Scotland)
1 from yourk University ( poss toronto)
Not overly sure which it fell under upgrade
( For canadian standard that i paid for).

I also have a niece who studied law
Got a job at J.P morgan where her mum worked
As a law specialist
Jacked that in & started work in for ex &
doubled her money to nearly 50k .

Imagine that 25 years old on decent money &
Still cant afford to buy a place on her own in London.

Maybe when the crash comes after brexit gets done
She will . Heres hoping for her

[tuffers#1]

Why would the Universities drop there standards to placate a government f*ck up ?

Surely its easier to let teachers re grade results so the right people get to right place in Higher education.

The issue is that unis over-offer on the basis some prospective students won’t get the grades and some will defer. I don’t really see it as lowering their standards. One college at oxford has already decided to make all offers unconditional

Problem with going off teacher grades is that teachers have a tendency to over predict their students

1 college out of how many at Oxford ?

It is far easier for an inept government to actually back down & allow the best way of marking to happen
Or better still let them all sit exams on work done up untill
The 23rd of march .

Or maybe prepare something between march & September .

Ah yeah Bojo had corona for a week or 2 & then went on holiday lots or sorted out his mates & there problems

I wonder if Doms kids needed school marks upgraded
A car trip to umist would have helped .

[tuffers#1]

[o-no]

Why would the Universities drop there standards to placate a government f*ck up ?

Surely its easier to let teachers re grade results so the right people get to right place in Higher education.

The issue is that unis over-offer on the basis some prospective students won’t get the grades and some will defer. I don’t really see it as lowering their standards. One college at oxford has already decided to make all offers unconditional

Problem with going off teacher grades is that teachers have a tendency to over predict their students

1 college out of how many at Oxford ?

It is far easier for an inept government to actually back down & allow the best way of marking to happen
Or better still let them all sit exams on work done up untill
The 23rd of march .

Or maybe prepare something between march & September .

Ah yeah Bojo had corona for a week or 2 & then went on holiday lots or sorted out his mates & there problems

I wonder if Doms kids needed school marks upgraded
A car trip to umist would have helped .

UMIST - that's going back a bit!

[NuneatonO's]

Boris Johnson urged to intervene as exam results anger escalates
Labour calls on PM to cancel planned break as Tory MPs deluged with complaints
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... isis-grows

A-level students officially launch High Court fight against results 'injustice'
Six A-level students have launched a bid for judicial review after their grades plunged due to a controversial algorithm - shattering their hopes for the future
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... h-22529751

"Robust and dependable"...........really Mr. Johnson ?

Two adjectives used there that clearly do not describe you.

[Dunners]

U-turn expected to be announced at about 4.00pm. They've really made a shambles of this.

[Long slender neck]

Boris to paint himself as the hero?

[Dohnut]

U-turn expected to be announced at about 4.00pm. They've really made a shambles of this.

Shambles. Why are you describing this in such glowing terms? Shambles is almost a compliment compared to the truth.

Mind you, if I were to use the right terms to describe it, it would make a hardened criminal blush.

[Dunners]

Boris to paint himself as the hero?

If he does (which wouldn't surprise me) then surely Gavin Williamson will have to go? Which he should anyway, as he's sh*t, and Robert Halfon would be a much better choice given the work he'd done on the Education Select Committee.

[Millennial Snowflake]

Problem with going off teacher grades is that teachers have a tendency to over predict their students

If you bothered to watch the above clip (which I doubt) and read the majority of news articles about predictive grading, they blow your statement completely out of the water.

Let's blame the teachers, not the Government eh? That's just so much easier.

Where have I blamed the teachers?

I watched the clip you posted and the guy even admits that students are more likely to get a grade lower than their teacher’s prediction than higher.

Using predicted grades would comfortably reach a record of A and A* awards - obvs the govt has made a right f*** up of this but there’s no perfect solution

As usual the left just want to scream discrimination and classism despite the fact all types of people have been impacted by this f*** up

[PoliticOs]

But there has been discrimination via a form of classism here. What do you want us to say?

[Millennial Snowflake]

How has there been?

[PoliticOs]

It favoured small classes for one. If you had up to 5 students taking an individual A Level, you'd get the grade predicted by the teacher. Between 5-15 sitting it, they take into account the teacher grade (but not definitely that), anything more than that they don't at all. So private schools had nearly 5% increase in A-A* gradings, as opposed to 0.3% increase in non private.

The proportion of A* and As awarded to independent schools rose by 4.7 percentage points, more than twice as much as state comprehensive schools.

Also, private kids are getting their Uni places and state school kids will miss out now, even in clearing. So many will have to defer or not go to Uni at all.

None of that seems like it has classism factors to it? Or is your argument that the private school kids also had discrimination?