Economic Recovery

[Thor]

Oh look my little left leaning fellow borders. The recovery is well under way as per the chief economist at the Bank of England.

The good ship UK is powering forwards you must all be so gutted.

Britain's economy on course for rapid recovery from coronavirus crisis https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-masthead

[PoliticOs]

Classless post.

[Dohnut]

Oh look my little left leaning fellow borders. The recovery is well under way as per the chief economist at the Bank of England.

The good ship UK is powering forwards you must all be so gutted.

Britain's economy on course for rapid recovery from coronavirus crisis https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-masthead

I would be surprised if it was rapid but it will happen.

[tuffers#1]

Oh look my little left leaning fellow borders. The recovery is well under way as per the chief economist at the Bank of England.

The good ship UK is powering forwards you must all be so gutted.

Britain's economy on course for rapid recovery from coronavirus crisis https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-masthead

"The Bank predicts the collapse in economic activity will push unemployment up to 2.5million by the end of the year (a conservative estimate), with the young, poor and least-skilled being worst affected.

This is far more than mere numbers. Every job lost means a life thrown into chaos, a person or family worrying about how to pay the bills".

So much for optimism for economic recovery

Feel for the millions whose lives will be ripped apart by this over the next year or 5 .

[BoniO]

Oh look my little left leaning fellow borders. The recovery is well under way as per the chief economist at the Bank of England.

The good ship UK is powering forwards you must all be so gutted.

Britain's economy on course for rapid recovery from coronavirus crisis https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-masthead

Living proof that you can’t polish a turd...

[Rich Tea Wellin]

So once again, the public have to fund us out of a crisis that was made worse by an incompetent Tory government?

Welcome to the left thory

[Dohnut]

Oh look my little left leaning fellow borders. The recovery is well under way as per the chief economist at the Bank of England.

The good ship UK is powering forwards you must all be so gutted.

Britain's economy on course for rapid recovery from coronavirus crisis https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-masthead

"The Bank predicts the collapse in economic activity will push unemployment up to 2.5million by the end of the year (a conservative estimate), with the young, poor and least-skilled being worst affected.

This is far more than mere numbers. Every job lost means a life thrown into chaos, a person or family worrying about how to pay the bills".

So much for optimism for economic recovery

Feel for the millions whose lives will be ripped apart by this over the next year or 5 .

I doubt any of us underestimate the personal costs resulting from the virus. financially and the loss of family and friends and education. Any recovery will help get back to the levels of employment we have seen in recent times. But I doubt it will be quick.

[NuneatonO's]

Oh look my little left leaning fellow borders. The recovery is well under way as per the chief economist at the Bank of England.

The good ship UK is powering forwards you must all be so gutted.

Britain's economy on course for rapid recovery from coronavirus crisis https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-masthead

Meanwhile, out there in the Real World, where Unicorns and Tooth Fairies don't exist......................

Britain isn’t ‘recovering’, whatever the Bank may suggest
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... recovering

Dire warning UK faces recession until 2023 and will fall behind US and Europe
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... l-22527537

Lloyds warns that second wave of coronavirus cases could send UK into double-dip recession
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mar ... ssion.html

UK is running out of options to spur an economic recovery
https://www.thenational.ae/opinion/comm ... -1.1063878

The UK economy suffered a bigger slump than any other major European economy in the second quarter, shrinking by a fifth and falling into its deepest recession on record
https://www.ft.com/content/c8b172e2-8f7 ... 3e9a4b6839

[Dohnut]

Oh look my little left leaning fellow borders. The recovery is well under way as per the chief economist at the Bank of England.

The good ship UK is powering forwards you must all be so gutted.

Britain's economy on course for rapid recovery from coronavirus crisis https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... e-masthead

Meanwhile, out there in the Real World, where Unicorns and Tooth Fairies don't exist......................

Britain isn’t ‘recovering’, whatever the Bank may suggest
https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... recovering

Dire warning UK faces recession until 2023 and will fall behind US and Europe
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... l-22527537

Lloyds warns that second wave of coronavirus cases could send UK into double-dip recession
https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mar ... ssion.html

UK is running out of options to spur an economic recovery
https://www.thenational.ae/opinion/comm ... -1.1063878

The UK economy suffered a bigger slump than any other major European economy in the second quarter, shrinking by a fifth and falling into its deepest recession on record
https://www.ft.com/content/c8b172e2-8f7 ... 3e9a4b6839

Of course we need to be careful about newspapers like the Guardian, Mirror, Sun and Mail who all report based on strong political bias. It’s been well documented about the risks globally of a second wave and that the Government is running out of options, for sure, they have tried a few things already. And running out of money too. A poo poo situation.

It was reported early on that the U.K. economy was likely to suffer more due to it being a service related economy. Whilst that’s helped us grow, in many cases better than others, it also makes us vulnerable, which has happened.

Not a good time. If anybody believes Labour or a coalition would have done better, fine. I don’t.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Please tell me more about the ‘strong political bias’ of the media, dohy.

[EH16]

Please tell me more about the ‘strong political bias’ of the media, dohy.

This, from nearly a hundred years ago, will get you started https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinoviev_letter

[Dohnut]

Please tell me more about the ‘strong political bias’ of the media, dohy.

I’m sure I don’t need to RedO. I read a wide range of papers and their “take” on the same situation varies widely according to their bias. Not to mention TV news outlets. Can be quite amusing but not to be taken without a massive pinch of salt. It’s the way of the world.

Though to be fair some is quite subtle. The BBC are particularly good in that area most of the time.

We all know that. I’m sure you are well versed in media bias and don’t need any explanation from me.

[Dohnut]

Please tell me more about the ‘strong political bias’ of the media, dohy.

This, from nearly a hundred years ago, will get you started https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinoviev_letter

Great story. But then again Wiki is not totally independent in its position, just reflects the views of its contributors.

As you may guess. When it come to the media I am hugely cynical. YouTube is the same, can be highly amusing but my goodness, some of the bias is blatant.

[BoniO]

Please tell me more about the ‘strong political bias’ of the media, dohy.

I’m sure I don’t need to RedO. I read a wide range of papers and their “take” on the same situation varies widely according to their bias. Not to mention TV news outlets. Can be quite amusing but not to be taken without a massive pinch of salt. It’s the way of the world.

Though to be fair some is quite subtle. The BBC are particularly good in that area most of the time.

We all know that. I’m sure you are well versed in media bias and don’t need any explanation from me.

Given that you read a "wide range of papers" would you agree that the majority of UK based newspapers have a right wing bias? What papers do you consider to be right wing and which papers to be left wing?

[EH16]

Please tell me more about the ‘strong political bias’ of the media, dohy.

This, from nearly a hundred years ago, will get you started https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zinoviev_letter

Great story. But then again Wiki is not totally independent in its position, just reflects the views of its contributors.

As you may guess. When it come to the media I am hugely cynical. YouTube is the same, can be highly amusing but my goodness, some of the bias is blatant.

I only used Wiki as one link to the story. Go and check out as many sources as you like. There's no bias here, the story is as close to proven historical fact as you'll ever find.

All very well to be cautious of media sources these days but far too many people simply use that as an excuse to dismiss anything they don't like.

[Dohnut]

Please tell me more about the ‘strong political bias’ of the media, dohy.

I’m sure I don’t need to RedO. I read a wide range of papers and their “take” on the same situation varies widely according to their bias. Not to mention TV news outlets. Can be quite amusing but not to be taken without a massive pinch of salt. It’s the way of the world.

Though to be fair some is quite subtle. The BBC are particularly good in that area most of the time.

We all know that. I’m sure you are well versed in media bias and don’t need any explanation from me.

Given that you read a "wide range of papers" would you agree that the majority of UK based newspapers have a right wing bias? What papers do you consider to be right wing and which papers to be left wing?

In the main I agree. Right wing bias in the press. Though recent attacks on the Tories (Cummings, Covid, exams) suggests that they will attack the Tories when due. But safe ground with a GE some way off so don’t really count. Come the next GE they will revert to type.

The Beeb have a very definite left wing bias.

The papers I read on a regular basis are the four I mentioned earlier, Mirror, Guardian, Sun and Mail. Their bias is clear beyond doubt. The others, depends how interesting the front page looks. I’d add the star to my list of left papers but I avoid that comic most of the time. Correction I avoid that comic all of the time.

[Beradogs]

There isn’t a right wing newspaper that is more right wing than the Guardian, The Mirror and dare I say the BBC are left wing anymore. The Mail is very much in the centre since Geordie Grieg took over as editor. The Sun is not especially political. The Telegraph is centre right. There are more right leaning papers but in these fragmented times when a majority have moved away from the centre( see the Liberal Democrat’s performances of late) the Left have real representation. The right don’t.

[Dunners]

The BBC isn't 'left wing'. It's ' socially liberal'. Stop confusing those two concepts. I understand why people do it, but the two are entirely separate political positions. Extreme liberalism (let's call it wokeness) is increasingly adopted by people who like to think of themselves as 'left', but would sh*t their pants should they ever be confronted with genuine left economic policies. It's easier to argue over the minutiae of niche sensitivities and micro-aggressions than confront their own privileged middle-class backgrounds.

Sure, you can be a left-wing liberal, but that is not a position held by the BBC. It is a pro-establishment, socially liberal institution. It praises at the alter of Saint Greta whilst also kissing the arse of the Queen. The Guardian is similar, but slightly less pro-establishment. And The Mirror is even more irrelevant.

The mainstream media (including the so-called left-wing papers and BBC) is overwhelming biased towards the economic right. The only split is whether they are socially right or left. What isn't represented is economic left/socially right. And yet that's the constituency that the Tories tapped into to win their majority, and which Labour continues to ignore (or be terrified of).

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Please tell me more about the ‘strong political bias’ of the media, dohy.

I’m sure I don’t need to RedO. I read a wide range of papers and their “take” on the same situation varies widely according to their bias. Not to mention TV news outlets. Can be quite amusing but not to be taken without a massive pinch of salt. It’s the way of the world.

Though to be fair some is quite subtle. The BBC are particularly good in that area most of the time.

We all know that. I’m sure you are well versed in media bias and don’t need any explanation from me.

Bull.

You’re a daily mail reader all day long.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

The BBC isn't 'left wing'. It's ' socially liberal'. Stop confusing those two concepts. I understand why people do it, but the two are entirely separate political positions. Extreme liberalism (let's call it wokeness) is increasingly adopted by people who like to think of themselves as 'left', but would sh*t their pants should they ever be confronted with genuine left economic policies. It's easier to argue over the minutiae of niche sensitivities and micro-aggressions than confront their own privileged middle-class backgrounds.

Sure, you can be a left-wing liberal, but that is not a position held by the BBC. It is a pro-establishment, socially liberal institution. It praises at the alter of Saint Greta whilst also kissing the arse of the Queen. The Guardian is similar, but slightly less pro-establishment. And The Mirror is even more irrelevant.

The mainstream media (including the so-called left-wing papers and BBC) is overwhelming biased towards the economic right. The only split is whether they are socially right or left. What isn't represented is economic left/socially right. And yet that's the constituency that the Tories tapped into to win their majority, and which Labour continues to ignore (or be terrified of).

Bring back Labours anti immigration mugs

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

There isn’t a right wing newspaper that is more right wing than the Guardian, The Mirror and dare I say the BBC are left wing anymore. The Mail is very much in the centre since Geordie Grieg took over as editor. The Sun is not especially political. The Telegraph is centre right. There are more right leaning papers but in these fragmented times when a majority have moved away from the centre( see the Liberal Democrat’s performances of late) the Left have real representation. The right don’t.

Someone should launch a paper for us downtrodden, middle aged, working class white blokes.

[BoniO]

The BBC isn't 'left wing'. It's ' socially liberal'. Stop confusing those two concepts. I understand why people do it, but the two are entirely separate political positions. Extreme liberalism (let's call it wokeness) is increasingly adopted by people who like to think of themselves as 'left', but would sh*t their pants should they ever be confronted with genuine left economic policies. It's easier to argue over the minutiae of niche sensitivities and micro-aggressions than confront their own privileged middle-class backgrounds.

Sure, you can be a left-wing liberal, but that is not a position held by the BBC. It is a pro-establishment, socially liberal institution. It praises at the alter of Saint Greta whilst also kissing the arse of the Queen. The Guardian is similar, but slightly less pro-establishment. And The Mirror is even more irrelevant.

The mainstream media (including the so-called left-wing papers and BBC) is overwhelming biased towards the economic right. The only split is whether they are socially right or left. What isn't represented is economic left/socially right. And yet that's the constituency that the Tories tapped into to win their majority, and which Labour continues to ignore (or be terrified of).

Whilst not actually disagreeing with what you're saying, well if I can understand what you're saying that is, it's exactly this kind of buzzword, sound-byte ridden text that will piss off most voters. Who wants to be pitched at at this level ffs. This may well make sense to you, and good luck to you. For most people they'll just be thinking what a load of pretentious bollocks. I'm almost sorry to be writing this. I think you mean well but ffs talk in plain English. It just looks like you're out to impress the plebs.

[PoliticOs]

It's a fine line though because we spend so much time talking about how we shouldn't talk down to the electorate but when we do talk up in what is, I'd argue, pretty standard political terms, there are takes like yours that this is also wrong. And I get your point too, I just think it is difficult to win. Though the Tories are great at it because saying something simple in a posh accent sounds nicer than saying something simple in a non-posh accent. One sounds bitesize, the other sounds thick.

See also calling things a 'metropolitan elite' issue or a 'red wall' one. As if Dave from Chorley absolutely must hate the gays and love pints and horse racing, but David from Islington couldn't abide anything not from Waitrose.

Basically, we're f*cked, aint we?

[tuffers#1]

There isn’t a right wing newspaper that is more right wing than the Guardian, The Mirror and dare I say the BBC are left wing anymore. The Mail is very much in the centre since Geordie Grieg took over as editor. The Sun is not especially political. The Telegraph is centre right. There are more right leaning papers but in these fragmented times when a majority have moved away from the centre( see the Liberal Democrat’s performances of late) the Left have real representation. The right don’t.

The Telegraph is Right of centre it certainly isnt centre right
The Times is also Right of centre .

The mail had to be pulled back before it fell off the right side of the table the Express is maybe centre right &
The Sun has & always will be led by director in chief Murdoch & his political stance has always been to attack the left , even when he backed Blair he was attacking the left.

[Dunners]

The BBC isn't 'left wing'. It's ' socially liberal'. Stop confusing those two concepts. I understand why people do it, but the two are entirely separate political positions. Extreme liberalism (let's call it wokeness) is increasingly adopted by people who like to think of themselves as 'left', but would sh*t their pants should they ever be confronted with genuine left economic policies. It's easier to argue over the minutiae of niche sensitivities and micro-aggressions than confront their own privileged middle-class backgrounds.

Sure, you can be a left-wing liberal, but that is not a position held by the BBC. It is a pro-establishment, socially liberal institution. It praises at the alter of Saint Greta whilst also kissing the arse of the Queen. The Guardian is similar, but slightly less pro-establishment. And The Mirror is even more irrelevant.

The mainstream media (including the so-called left-wing papers and BBC) is overwhelming biased towards the economic right. The only split is whether they are socially right or left. What isn't represented is economic left/socially right. And yet that's the constituency that the Tories tapped into to win their majority, and which Labour continues to ignore (or be terrified of).

Whilst not actually disagreeing with what you're saying, well if I can understand what you're saying that is, it's exactly this kind of buzzword, sound-byte ridden text that will p*ss off most voters. Who wants to be pitched at at this level ffs. This may well make sense to you, and good luck to you. For most people they'll just be thinking what a load of pretentious bollocks. I'm almost sorry to be writing this. I think you mean well but ffs talk in plain English. It just looks like you're out to impress the plebs.

I think you've seriously misunderstood me. Which may well be because I've not made my point clearly. But whatever.