Payback time

[faldO]

Your claim doesn't seem to be true, though. Am I misreading the numbers?

https://fullfact.org/economy/council-houses-labour/

On average, housing associations and local authorities have built around 26,500 houses each year since 2010. The Labour government had a lower average, building about 19,000 homes per year.

[Admin]

Impossible to pin the reasons on one or two issues. The current lack of affordable housing can be attributed to not only demographic and population changes but also the general lack of public sector building plus disposal of council housing which wasn't replaced all play a part.

Deregulation will provide more property but less "affordable" housing.The original thinking was that the private sector would pick up the slack from public building schemes. However this as most wheezes turned out to be utter bollocks as developers have no interest in providing social housing which could detrimentally affect the end value of their development. Add to this, private buyers who have no interest in sharing their vista with the great unwashed. Developers, to avoid this scenario would rather hand over cash previously via S106 settlements thus handing the money and the problem back to local authorities who are no longer equipped to build or manage public housing. The cash then would find itself being used to close budget gaps for basic public services.

Oh and by the way, take the red or blue scarves off your necks. Both Labour and Tory governments have neglected this issue for decades.

[Admin]

And don't even get me started on land-banking. There is an enormous amount of develop-able land stacked up and held until such time as a developer / speculator believes they've hit premium value.

No government is going to be brave or bold enough to requisition land or force developers to build within prescribed time-frames.

[Thor]

Admin is right on this one.

[Thor]

do you know that councils are now buying properties on the open market?

As for planning it is a nightmare to deal with. I wanted a simple double loft extention with a side extention on the ground floor. The hassle I had to go through to get it approved was ridiculous.

Next door but one to that property had the most illegal rear loge extention you have ever seen. He pointed it out to me and I asked what he was going to do about it and he said nothing!!! Cos he approves planning not what someone has done illegal. You can't make this stuff up.

[Mikero]

I had a studio that I built in someones garden 'grassed' to the planners, I had worked within the constraints for a building not requiring permission, but because the house had been turned into flats it did need permission. A lot of paperwork later and it passed, I did point out to the planning lady that if she looked along the house backs she would see glaring examples of stuff well outside permitted developement and like your example she said they don't look for it, only react to complaints.

Mikero

[BoniO]

do you know that councils are now buying properties on the open market?

As for planning it is a nightmare to deal with. I wanted a simple double loft extention with a side extention on the ground floor. The hassle I had to go through to get it approved was ridiculous.

Next door but one to that property had the most illegal rear loge extention you have ever seen. He pointed it out to me and I asked what he was going to do about it and he said nothing!!! Cos he approves planning not what someone has done illegal. You can't make this stuff up.

"You can't make this stuff up" oh I dunno, you seem to be doing it OK.

[tuffers#1]

do you know that councils are now buying properties on the open market?

As for planning it is a nightmare to deal with. I wanted a simple double loft extention with a side extention on the ground floor. The hassle I had to go through to get it approved was ridiculous.

Next door but one to that property had the most illegal rear loge extention you have ever seen. He pointed it out to me and I asked what he was going to do about it and he said nothing!!! Cos he approves planning not what someone has done illegal. You can't make this stuff up.

Councils have always bought houses that become available
If the housing stock falls & the price is ok .

The council bought my Mum & Dads house a year after he died .
For just under current market at the time ( 1990) .

Less money to replace an open staircase & replacing a wooden ceiling.
That incidentally neither of which they ever replaced

[tuffers#1]

Last time a major planning bill was introduced
also under a tory govt it meant that LFB
no longer had control over safety .

Look what happened after .

Grenfell anyone ?

[Mikero]

The same thought occured to me Tuffers, if you want councils to build they are going to have to do it on the cheap. All those years ago Ronan Point was another example of cheap design and shoddy building control that killed people.

Mikero

[Thor]

The same thought occured to me Tuffers, if you want councils to build they are going to have to do it on the cheap. All those years ago Ronan Point was another example of cheap design and shoddy building control that killed people.

Mikero

I agree. Its a shame that the Labour government who were in power from 1964 to 1970 didn't have adequate building control's in place which led to the partial collapse of the structure. When it was taken down it was found that the load bearing walls were cracked and ready to collapse with the great storm of 87 powerful enough to have made the building fall down of its own accord.

[Disoriented]

The same thought occured to me Tuffers, if you want councils to build they are going to have to do it on the cheap. All those years ago Ronan Point was another example of cheap design and shoddy building control that killed people.

Mikero

I agree. Its a shame that the Labour government who were in power from 1964 to 1970 didn't have adequate building control's in place which led to the partial collapse of the structure. When it was taken down it was found that the load bearing walls were cracked and ready to collapse with the great storm of 87 powerful enough to have made the building fall down of its own accord.

Shame on you. Why don’t you go back even further?

[EH16]

The £11 million given to the Tory party in the last year by property developers is now being paid back in the form of planning deregulation. Boris will moan that it takes too long, but thats mainly due to developers trying to do things that local people and their elected representatives do not want.

Mikero

Do you mean NIMBYS and lefty anti- capitalist socialist Councillors when you say local people, mourning still, the loss of Corbyn?

Look at the flats at the Orient ground. Nobody who grew up in Leyton would ever had imagined such a development and there were lots of objections to it , as time as gone on , they are part of it and some of the spectators On the balconies during a match often provide additional entertainment.

There are far too many people arriving daily in the UK and not enough housing. People born in Leyton can not afford to by a small flat in Leyton for circa 450k and have to move out. The councils are too obstructive in planning decisions and if you have ever seen the state of some of those councillors at a planning meeting you will realise why the council is such a mess.

The problem with scrapping the planning regulations isn't to do with the amount of housing. It's the build quality that's the real issues, Developers will now be chucking up any old rubbish that may well be unsafe and will be slums in 20 years time.

[Mikero]

They wont even last that long, I did some work on a house 7 years old last week and there were signs that it was beginning to crumble, not enough cement in the mortar for a start.

The main reason for the lack of building control around the time of Ronan Point was that the local authority was riddled with Free Masonry, as was the Construction Industry.

Mikero

[Orient_Man_And_Boy]

They wont even last that long, I did some work on a house 7 years old last week and there were signs that it was beginning to crumble, not enough cement in the mortar for a start.

The main reason for the lack of building control around the time of Ronan Point was that the local authority was riddled with Free Masonry, as was the Construction Industry.

Mikero

Well, Ronan Point was built on the Freemason Estate

[Mikero]

Nef said.

Mikero

[Mikero]

" When it was taken down it was found that the load bearing walls were cracked and ready to collapse"

I have seen the original drawings of Ronan Point ( I was at college with a council quantity surveyor ) and the other blocks on the estate and they show that it was built like a 'house of cards'. The floor slabs sat on the wall panels by 1/2" /12mm what was supposed to hold them together was steel loops cast into each section every 4" / 100mm. A reinforcing bar was then pushed through the loops from the end and the whole thing concreted in, all well and good in theory but in practice it was almost impossible to thread the bar through all the loops as the casting had not been done accurately enough.

The result was the builders took to bending loops over with a big hammer to get then out of the way, in some cases over 75% of them. Once concreted in no one could see any problem. Had all the joints been done correctly it is likely that only one panel would have blown out, if that, instead of almost the whole corner collapsing.

Mikero

[Oiram]

I had a studio that I built in someones garden 'grassed' to the planners, I had worked within the constraints for a building not requiring permission, but because the house had been turned into flats it did need permission. A lot of paperwork later and it passed, I did point out to the planning lady that if she looked along the house backs she would see glaring examples of stuff well outside permitted developement and like your example she said they don't look for it, only react to complaints.

Mikero

You proud of your post? Just asking.