pc Harper injustice

[greyhound]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/driver-pc-and ... 18121.html

how can they be not be charged with murder they must have known
that they where dragging him along for at least a mile weaving from left to right.
I would lock them up for a minimum sentence of 20 years at least.
probably be on the streets again in less than six.

[Stowaway]

And that’s why we have legal professionals such as judges, barristers and the CPS to make these decisions, not football fans and tabloid newspaper editors. There’s a very simple reason that none of them were charged with murder, and although I should tell you to look it and learn for yourself and so you won’t look stupid next time, in simple terms murder means that you had a premeditated intent to kill, while manslaughter means that your actions, intentional or not, resulted in a death.

Those three kids didn’t go out to kill a copper, they went to steal a quad bike. They didn’t plan for the poor copper to get tangled up in the ratchet strap, so it would have been impossible to charge them with murder. The CPS got it right.

[Ornchurch]

And some people wonder why people have lost respect for the Police.

Should have been life. These 3 are wrong uns and will degenerate further. Their associates looked to intimidate the jury so that says a lot about them.

The Police have got to be given powers to actually do their job and police. They have got to be stronger and have to be protected against these sort of attacks. Kid gloves leads to having the piss taken out of them.

[tuffers#1]

And some people wonder why people have lost respect for the Police.

Should have been life. These 3 are wrong uns and will degenerate further. Their associates looked to intimidate the jury so that says a lot about them.

The Police have got to be given powers to actually do their job and police. They have got to be stronger and have to be protected against these sort of attacks. Kid gloves leads to having the p*ss taken out of them.

Talks about people losing respect for the police on a thread
About a policeman who died whilst being a policeman .


Talk about STUPID .

[Stowaway]

This has nothing to do with the police though, has it? The police simply arrest people and gather evidence. The CPS make a decision to prosecute, and what charge to bring, based on the evidence provided. The police would clearly have been very keen to gather as much evidence as possible seeing as it was one of their own, but other than that they didn’t do anything else.

I don’t know anything about the three, but if they have any previous convictions then these will be taken into account when sentencing. They were travellers by all accounts, but they need to be dealt with like anyone would be. That’s the point of the law, or should be.

I’m not sure what “powers” you’re talking about. The police that night were investigating a robbery, and it went horribly wrong. What extra powers would have prevented that?

[Ornchurch]

And some people wonder why people have lost respect for the Police.

Should have been life. These 3 are wrong uns and will degenerate further. Their associates looked to intimidate the jury so that says a lot about them.

The Police have got to be given powers to actually do their job and police. They have got to be stronger and have to be protected against these sort of attacks. Kid gloves leads to having the p*ss taken out of them.

Talks about people losing respect for the police on a thread
About a policeman who died whilst being a policeman .


Talk about STUPID .

That is why he died STUPID. Because people have no respect any more.

These delinquents might not have set out to kill a copper but I find it impossible to believe that they drove for a mile without one of them realising that he had got caught up.

[Ornchurch]

I don’t know anything about the three, but if they have any previous convictions then these will be taken into account when sentencing. They were travellers by all accounts, but they need to be dealt with like anyone would be. That’s the point of the law, or should be.

That explains the respect thing then. They're not known as 'Do as you likeys' for nothing.

[tuffers#1]

And some people wonder why people have lost respect for the Police.

That is why he died STUPID. Because people have no respect any more.

These delinquents might not have set out to kill a copper but I find it impossible to believe that they drove for a mile without one of them realising that he had got caught up.

Thats different to what you said originally & a totally seperate argument.

[Ornchurch]

Talks about people losing respect for the police on a thread
About a policeman who died whilst being a policeman .


Talk about STUPID .

That is why he died STUPID. Because people have no respect any more.

These delinquents might not have set out to kill a copper but I find it impossible to believe that they drove for a mile without one of them realising that he had got caught up.

Thats different to what you said originally & a totally seperate argument.

It's exactly what I said but you read it differently. Probably by choice.

[tuffers#1]

And some people wonder why people have lost respect for the Police.

Nope i read it correctly

[Dohnut]

Manslaughter was the correct charge in my opinion. Sentencing for manslaughter can be a life sentence or several years. Just because it is deemed a lesser charge don’t prevent the most severe punishment.

[NuneatonO's]

It is indeed extremely sad that PC Harper, a decent, hard-working man who was there to protect us, lost his life; and that his family are having to suffer such heartbreaking loss of a loved one.

I can understand that people want a harsher charge or sentence served; but the Law is the Law and Manslaughter is Manslaughter.

What a shame for the parents of Harry Dunn; who have not had similar justice served against Anne Sacoolas. Think of that also, the next time you see the American Government, Johnson or Dominic Raab appear on your screens.

[Ornchurch]

It is indeed extremely sad that PC Harper, a decent, hard-working man who was there to protect us, lost his life; and that his family are having to suffer such heartbreaking loss of a loved one.

I can understand that people want a harsher charge or sentence served; but the Law is the Law and Manslaughter is Manslaughter.

What a shame for the parents of Harry Dunn; who have not had similar justice served against Anne Sacoolas. Think of that also, the next time you see the American Government, Johnson or Dominic Raab appear on your screens.

Thank you for a party political broadcast from NuneatonO's.

[Ornchurch]

Manslaughter was the correct charge in my opinion. Sentencing for manslaughter can be a life sentence or several years. Just because it is deemed a lesser charge don’t prevent the most severe punishment.

As soon as they realised that they were dragging him along and carried on it switched to murder imo.

Also, imo, the killing of an on duty police officer should be a mandatory life sentence.

[Clive Evans]

These boys set out, as the Prosecution stated, to steal a quad bike by any means. These lads had a large axe, three crowbars and a hammer. These are not the tools to steal a bike that is secure. These are tools used to threaten or harm anyone intent on stopping them. I have no doubt they intended to use them if necessary. A blind man on a white horse would have realised they were dragging the PC behind their car. They didn't care. Just look at them leaving the Court after the initial hearing. THEY DON'T CARE. They are brought up to despise ordinary people. They know we are soft on them and they love it. They don't abide by our laws, but use the laws to get away with murder. I have had quite a bit of experience dealing with them and it ain't nice. My foster-daughter used to work at Dagenham Bowls, they came in at week-ends to cause trouble. I worked part-time at Lakeside McDonalds. Their parents bring the kids in and show them how to get food for nothing. They are deliberately rude and provocative. There is a site not too far from me accessed by a single track road. Most of them do roofing. A job that is very difficult to check on their workmanship. They use Race Relation Laws to their advantage. Claiming that we are Racist. They are Irish not Romany. The Irish take a much harder line with them. Time we did too.

[redintheface]

Sad case all round. Reading details of the backgrounds of the three accused it was not altogether surprising that they ended up where they did. That said, they will hopefully face the full extent of the law and be sentenced accordingly. Somewhat ironically a very similar case came to court 60 years ago in April 1960 following the death of PC Leslie Meehan in Woolwich. In that case the defendant was initially found guilty of murder and sentenced to death but on appeal the conviction was altered to manslaughter. Following a further appeal from the prosecution the murder conviction was reinstated but his sentence was commuted to life imprisonment.

[greyhound]

These boys set out, as the Prosecution stated, to steal a quad bike by any means. These lads had a large axe, three crowbars and a hammer. These are not the tools to steal a bike that is secure. These are tools used to threaten or harm anyone intent on stopping them. I have no doubt they intended to use them if necessary. A blind man on a white horse would have realised they were dragging the PC behind their car. They didn't care. Just look at them leaving the Court after the initial hearing. THEY DON'T CARE. They are brought up to despise ordinary people. They know we are soft on them and they love it. They don't abide by our laws, but use the laws to get away with murder. I have had quite a bit of experience dealing with them and it ain't nice. My foster-daughter used to work at Dagenham Bowls, they came in at week-ends to cause trouble. I worked part-time at Lakeside McDonalds. Their parents bring the kids in and show them how to get food for nothing. They are deliberately rude and provocative. There is a site not too far from me accessed by a single track road. Most of them do roofing. A job that is very difficult to check on their workmanship. They use Race Relation Laws to their advantage. Claiming that we are Racist. They are Irish not Romany. The Irish take a much harder line with them. Time we did too.

perhaps stowaway should read this exactly my point.

[Dohnut]

Manslaughter was the correct charge in my opinion. Sentencing for manslaughter can be a life sentence or several years. Just because it is deemed a lesser charge don’t prevent the most severe punishment.

As soon as they realised that they were dragging him along and carried on it switched to murder imo.

Also, imo, the killing of an on duty police officer should be a mandatory life sentence.

Murder cannot be proved beyond reasonable doubt, for reasons in your statement. It cannot be proven they realised. Manslaughter can be and was. Correct decision by the CPR. My interest is what sentence they get, next Friday I believe. That is the opportunity for the judiciary to hand out life sentences in my opinion. Anything less and I shall be disappointed.

I have no objection to the idea of the killing of an on duty Police Officer carrying a mandatory life sentence. Which is what I hope the slags get.

I just hope the anti-police brigade Look at this, a young decent family man brutally killed whilst doing his job looking after the community he served. Bet there won’t be any protest marches.

[soloman]

And that’s why we have legal professionals such as judges, barristers and the CPS to make these decisions, not football fans and tabloid newspaper editors. There’s a very simple reason that none of them were charged with murder, and although I should tell you to look it and learn for yourself and so you won’t look stupid next time, in simple terms murder means that you had a premeditated intent to kill, while manslaughter means that your actions, intentional or not, resulted in a death.

Those three kids didn’t go out to kill a copper, they went to steal a quad bike. They didn’t plan for the poor copper to get tangled up in the ratchet strap, so it would have been impossible to charge them with murder. The CPS got it right.

They weren't kids, they were two 18year olds and a 19year old Gypsy thugs who deserve to go away for 30 yrs.

[Confucius]

And some people wonder why people have lost respect for the Police.

Should have been life. These 3 are wrong uns and will degenerate further. Their associates looked to intimidate the jury so that says a lot about them.

The Police have got to be given powers to actually do their job and police. They have got to be stronger and have to be protected against these sort of attacks. Kid gloves leads to having the p*ss taken out of them.

Talks about people losing respect for the police on a thread
About a policeman who died whilst being a policeman .


Talk about STUPID .

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[tuffers#1]

And some people wonder why people have lost respect for the Police.

Should have been life. These 3 are wrong uns and will degenerate further. Their associates looked to intimidate the jury so that says a lot about them.

The Police have got to be given powers to actually do their job and police. They have got to be stronger and have to be protected against these sort of attacks. Kid gloves leads to having the p*ss taken out of them.

Talks about people losing respect for the police on a thread
About a policeman who died whilst being a policeman .


Talk about STUPID .

E4C0C709-61BF-4E83-8E46-1FB9D620B992.jpeg

[Sid Bishop]

And that’s why we have legal professionals such as judges, barristers and the CPS to make these decisions, not football fans and tabloid newspaper editors. There’s a very simple reason that none of them were charged with murder, and although I should tell you to look it and learn for yourself and so you won’t look stupid next time, in simple terms murder means that you had a premeditated intent to kill, while manslaughter means that your actions, intentional or not, resulted in a death.

Those three kids didn’t go out to kill a copper, they went to steal a quad bike. They didn’t plan for the poor copper to get tangled up in the ratchet strap, so it would have been impossible to charge them with murder. The CPS got it right.

They weren't kids, they were two 18year olds and a 19year old Gypsy thugs who deserve to go away for 30 yrs.

Fully agree and 30 years at least to be served in full with no remission.

[Confucius]

Manslaughter was the correct charge in my opinion. Sentencing for manslaughter can be a life sentence or several years. Just because it is deemed a lesser charge don’t prevent the most severe punishment.

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[tuffers#1]

Manslaughter was the correct charge in my opinion. Sentencing for manslaughter can be a life sentence or several years. Just because it is deemed a lesser charge don’t prevent the most severe punishment.

As soon as they realised that they were dragging him along and carried on it switched to murder imo.

Also, imo, the killing of an on duty police officer should be a mandatory life sentence.

Murder cannot be proved beyond reasonable doubt, for reasons in your statement. It cannot be proven they realised. Manslaughter can be and was. Correct decision by the CPR. My interest is what sentence they get, next Friday I believe. That is the opportunity for the judiciary to hand out life sentences in my opinion. Anything less and I shall be disappointed.

I have no objection to the idea of the killing of an on duty Police Officer carrying a mandatory life sentence. Which is what I hope the slags get.

I just hope the anti-police brigade Look at this, a young decent family man brutally killed whilst doing his job looking after the community he served. Bet there won’t be any protest marches.

https://www.lawtonslaw.co.uk/resources/ ... in-prison/

Not sure if this makes sentencing any clearer.

[greyhound]

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/pc-andrew-har ... 28974.html

it would not surprise me in the least.