Mikero wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 8:44 pm
How about going into Mosques and schools and telling them in no uncertain terms "Fundementalist Islam is a power grab by a few regious politicians who have been marginalised by the rest of the religion and want to hang on to their power. They do not care how many of their own people die. If you believe them you will be taken for a ride like I was."
Mikero
Yeah, how about it?
Can i watch your attempt Orn'
I said Orn cos if they knew Church was in your name ......
They might think you wante to convert em to Christianism
can't she stay there and have her court case held via the medium of "on line"? Why does she need to set foot back in a country she disowned and celebrated the death of many people? She made her bed, let her lie in it.
A court has decided that she is a British citizen and as such, no government has the right to remove that without proper legal process, which is what the government did. That’s why courts and judges are independent of government. Simple as that.
So I’m all for allowing her back and then, if there’s enough evidence to charge her with an offence then let her be arrested and charged and then tried in court. If she’s found guilty then she serves her sentence and is then freed and hopefully rehabilitated, ie: she’s treated like every other prisoner should be. I can’t see what’s so controversial about that, tbh.
Scuba Diver wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:03 pm
Many of us went off on tangents when we were younger, which we probably regret. ..
I certainly regret those baggy jeans with red piping down the seam I got from Petticoat Lane when I was 19. Were all the rage in soul boy/disco circles back then, but really if I'd ended up in the Hague War Crimes Court for such an affront to humanity I couldn't complain.
Bloody hell. I’d erased those from my memory, and rightly so.
Stowaway wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:05 am
A court has decided that she is a British citizen and as such, no government has the right to remove that without proper legal process, which is what the government did. That’s why courts and judges are independent of government. Simple as that.
So I’m all for allowing her back and then, if there’s enough evidence to charge her with an offence then let her be arrested and charged and then tried in court. If she’s found guilty then she serves her sentence and is then freed and hopefully rehabilitated, ie: she’s treated like every other prisoner should be. I can’t see what’s so controversial about that, tbh.
Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:05 pm
Could she even be tried in the UK for possible crimes carried out in another jurisdiction?
Don't think so. Isn't that what teh extradition process is for? I sort of assumed she'd face trial here for joining a terrorist organisation (not sure of the exact legal terminology).
If she's an enemy of the UK state, then surely it's best to have her here?
"can't she stay there and have her court case held via the medium of "on line"? Why does she need to set foot back in a country she disowned and celebrated the death of many people? She made her bed, let her lie in it."
Great idea, if someone goes to the legal system because of a political decision you just stop them meeting their legal team and stop them getting into court.
Dunners wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:05 pm
Could she even be tried in the UK for possible crimes carried out in another jurisdiction?
Don't think so. Isn't that what teh extradition process is for? I sort of assumed she'd face trial here for joining a terrorist organisation (not sure of the exact legal terminology).
If she's an enemy of the UK state, then surely it's best to have her here?
I'm thinking more about how she can be made accountable for any alleged atrocities/crimes/acts/whatever she's been complicit/party to against others in that region. I agree that a UK court is only ever likely to consider whether or not she committed an offence by joining ISIS in the first place (possibly the most minor of her offences). But, once back here, the UK government could never permit a citizen to be extradited to a failed state. Therefore, once back here, she's unlikely to ever have to face her Yazidi accusers/victims.
As I've said, as much as I hate what she represents, I accept that bringing her back is the morally right thing to do. It's just that I reckon in doing so we'll be denying others the justice they may deserve.
Her trip home will have to wait, as the government have been granted permission to appeal the ruling to the Supreme Court. Should be heard later this year.
