Coronavirus

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Oh. That’s not what he said, tho.

[faldO]

Anyone who dies who had tested positive at any point, is recorded as having died with covid. Which I thought was common knowledge anyway.

I hadn't seen this specific info until it was reported on Thursday, certainly not in the way it was described.

You can have covid, fully recover, and then subsequently months later could die from something completely unrelated (eg an accident) and it would be recorded as a covid death. It's the way PHE colate their data and how it's described in the paper about it: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/why-no-on ... l-anomaly/

Whether it impacts the overall total of covid-related deaths in any meaningful way remains to be seen, it could be just a handful of people or more than that.

It's why some say it's pointless trying to build up an accurate total and doing country comparisons until all the figures are available and the is some kind of normalization/standardization around how deaths are reported.

[Disoriented]

Anyone who dies who had tested positive at any point, is recorded as having died with covid. Which I thought was common knowledge anyway.

I hadn't seen this specific info until it was reported on Thursday, certainly not in the way it was described.

You can have covid, fully recover, and then subsequently months later could die from something completely unrelated (eg an accident) and it would be recorded as a covid death. It's the way PHE colate their data and how it's described in the paper about it: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/why-no-on ... l-anomaly/

Whether it impacts the overall total of covid-related deaths in any meaningful way remains to be seen, it could be just a handful of people or more than that.

It's why some say it's pointless trying to build up an accurate total and doing country comparisons until all the figures are available and the is some kind of normalization/standardization around how deaths are reported.

Spin at its absolute worst.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

How many people do you think tested positive for Covid back in March/April/May, recovered from it, then died from something totally unrelatable in the following months?

Clowns.

[NuneatonO's]

Who do we trust?

(a) A fully-qualified Medical Professional and/or Coroner; trained over many years; and skilled to identify whether the cause of death was due to a Covid-related illness?

Or

(b) A proven, lying Tory Government?

Wow. What a difficult choice.

[faldO]

Anyone who dies who had tested positive at any point, is recorded as having died with covid. Which I thought was common knowledge anyway.

I hadn't seen this specific info until it was reported on Thursday, certainly not in the way it was described.

You can have covid, fully recover, and then subsequently months later could die from something completely unrelated (eg an accident) and it would be recorded as a covid death. It's the way PHE colate their data and how it's described in the paper about it: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/why-no-on ... l-anomaly/

Whether it impacts the overall total of covid-related deaths in any meaningful way remains to be seen, it could be just a handful of people or more than that.

It's why some say it's pointless trying to build up an accurate total and doing country comparisons until all the figures are available and the is some kind of normalization/standardization around how deaths are reported.

Spin at its absolute worst.

You can call it spin all you like but it's a paper published by two scientists who - from my reading of it at least - are highlighting what they see as a potential anomaly in the reporting statistics by PHE around covid deaths.

[Long slender neck]

How many people do you think tested positive for Covid back in March/April/May, recovered from it, then died from something totally unrelatable in the following months?

Clowns.

Couple of thousand?

[Currywurst and Chips]

You get the impression some people want things to be awful just so they can be smug online

* Awaits indignation *

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

How many people do you think tested positive for Covid back in March/April/May, recovered from it, then died from something totally unrelatable in the following months?

Clowns.

Couple of thousand?

I suppose it’s possible there’s thousands of unlucky people out there, I guess.

April - contracts Covid severely enough to be hospitalised.
May - recovers
June - dies in car accident

[Currywurst and Chips]

Breaking news - Old people also die all the time

[Long slender neck]

As do people with illnesses etc.

[NuneatonO's]

You can call it spin all you like but it's a paper published by two scientists who - from my reading of it at least - are highlighting what they see as a potential anomaly in the reporting statistics by PHE around covid deaths.

Was this scientific 'spin' also then?

Boris Johnson on Wednesday insisted it was "premature" to say the U.K. had made mistakes in its response to the crisis, after a top adviser said the country’s death toll could have been halved if it had gone into lockdown just one week earlier.
https://www.politico.eu/article/scienti ... -covid-19/

[Ornchurch]

This government undoubtedly made a number of mistakes in the handling of the pandemic.

However, nobody has any idea as to whether a different government would have handled it differently, better or worse.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

If only there was some way of measuring the tens of thousands of excess deaths this year against the previous years average, just to prove to the conspiraloons that Covid is a real thing.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

This government undoubtedly made a number of mistakes in the handling of the pandemic.

However, nobody has any idea as to whether a different government would have handled it differently, better or worse.

Of course. But we can guess.

We can also look at the governments of other countries around the world to see how they all managed to handle it better.

[NuneatonO's]

This government undoubtedly made a number of mistakes in the handling of the pandemic.

However, nobody has any idea as to whether a different government would have handled it differently, better or worse.

On that basis, should we absolve Tony Blair for the Iraq War then?

[faldO]

You can call it spin all you like but it's a paper published by two scientists who - from my reading of it at least - are highlighting what they see as a potential anomaly in the reporting statistics by PHE around covid deaths.

Was this scientific 'spin' also then?

Boris Johnson on Wednesday insisted it was "premature" to say the U.K. had made mistakes in its response to the crisis, after a top adviser said the country’s death toll could have been halved if it had gone into lockdown just one week earlier.
https://www.politico.eu/article/scienti ... -covid-19/

Your rantings are becoming more and more predictable by the day. You take what I post - which was just a link to a scientific paper which anyone is free to read and make up their own mind about, and my take on it - and go off at a tangent with something completely unrelated.

The "top advisor" referenced in the link you provided is none other than Professor Neil Ferguson, the lockdown-breaker who couldn't keep his trousers on, resigned in shame, and whose models and predictions are often so far wide of the mark - both during this pandemic and in the past - that many people find it hard to take them seriously any more (except perhaps the government and his own paymasters).

At least if you're going to attempt to discuss science find someone to quote who has some credibility.

[BoniO]

You can call it spin all you like but it's a paper published by two scientists who - from my reading of it at least - are highlighting what they see as a potential anomaly in the reporting statistics by PHE around covid deaths.

Was this scientific 'spin' also then?

Boris Johnson on Wednesday insisted it was "premature" to say the U.K. had made mistakes in its response to the crisis, after a top adviser said the country’s death toll could have been halved if it had gone into lockdown just one week earlier.
https://www.politico.eu/article/scienti ... -covid-19/

Your rantings are becoming more and more predictable by the day. You take what I post - which was just a link to a scientific paper which anyone is free to read and make up their own mind about, and my take on it - and go off at a tangent with something completely unrelated.

The "top advisor" referenced in the link you provided is none other than Professor Neil Ferguson, the lockdown-breaker who couldn't keep his trousers on, resigned in shame, and whose models and predictions are often so far wide of the mark - both during this pandemic and in the past - that many people find it hard to take them seriously any more (except perhaps the government and his own paymasters).

At least if you're going to attempt to discuss science find someone to quote who has some credibility.

Putting aside Fergusons cock-up with his paramour, if he was known to be so suspect then why the hell was the Government using him and referring to his modelling. Either he's crap - and the government should never have used him, or he's capable but got sidelined due to his indiscretion and then discredited probably because he didn't align with the governments position (their position on that day that is.... dependent on the direction that the wind was blowing).

[NuneatonO's]

The "top advisor" referenced in the link you provided is none other than Professor Neil Ferguson, the lockdown-breaker who couldn't keep his trousers on, resigned in shame, and whose models and predictions are often so far wide of the mark - both during this pandemic and in the past - that many people find it hard to take them seriously any more (except perhaps the government and his own paymasters).

At least if you're going to attempt to discuss science find someone to quote who has some credibility.

"Keeping trousers on".

Oh the sheer irony of it.

This coming from someone who foreover supports Alexander Johnson and the other Tory . Johnson - a proven liar and racist; who has always found great difficulty 'keeping his trousers on' with multiple partners over many years; resulting in more offspring than he'll ever admit to. A despicable human-being who also used tax-payers money; in return for amorous liaisons with pole-dancing Yank, Jennifer Arcuri, in their Shoreditch love nest.

Whooops sorry........you asked me to find someone who has some credibility.

[Sid Bishop]

South Korea (pop 51 million): 289 deaths
Thailand (pop 70 million): 58 deaths
Singapore (pop 6 million): 26 deaths
Taiwan (population 24 million): 7 deaths
Vietnam (pop 95 million) : 0 deaths.

UK (pop 68 million): 44,630 deaths officially, 65,000+ according to ONS research on the excess death rate.

Yet we still have morons suggesting that the Tory Govt. have done a good job.

Knowing people in some of those countries mentioned, also Philippines, you will find that far more draconian measures were used in the above Countries mentioned to stop the spread of Covid19. As in China, extreme lock-downs including curfews, compulsory use of social distancing and masks, measures that could not be enforced in Uk and even if attempted to be imposed on the population would not be observed by the majority. In areas of Cebu City in the Philippines there is a 8pm to 5am curfew at present, only one registered person per household allowed out of the house to go out for shopping on just one allotted day of the week, compulsory use of face masks outside the home, refusal to do may will lead to arrest. Many police and military out in these countries to monitor the people and I am told military in tanks and armoured cars to be seen in Cebu. OMG, try that in many Cities in UK and see what would happen, same goes for USA. Our people are just not used to be under such strict regimes of the type that you get out in many Far Eastern Countries, if you do not do as you are told, you are in for it. Even though the UK public have been giving the instructions about social distancing and the use of wearing masks, so many ( especially younger people ) have completely ignored the message. I have even been abused and sworn at on 2 separate occasions because when out shopping, i was wearing thin surgeon type gloves,mask and a face visor, I just ignored those 2 idiots and laughed inside myself at their ignorance and stupidity.
''Here are the points to remember for the ECQ in Cebu City:
A. Mandatory Stay-at-home order and curfew. All Cebu City residents are mandated to stay at home, especially before during the curfew from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. daily. Senior citizens and minors are not allowed to go outside except for emergencies.
Quarantine passes must be brought by residents buying essential goods for their families. Mandatory wearing of masks. Masks should be worn in public places and the law enforcers are tasked to ensure that this is strictly followed.
Individuals not wearing masks may be apprehended.

Read more: https://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/3189 ... z6SYwuzX9S
Follow us: @inquirerdotnet on Twitter | inquirerdotnet on Facebook

[tuffers#1]

South Korea (pop 51 million): 289 deaths
Thailand (pop 70 million): 58 deaths
Singapore (pop 6 million): 26 deaths
Taiwan (population 24 million): 7 deaths
Vietnam (pop 95 million) : 0 deaths.

UK (pop 68 million): 44,630 deaths officially, 65,000+ according to ONS research on the excess death rate.

Yet we still have morons suggesting that the Tory Govt. have done a good job.

Knowing people in some of those countries mentioned, also Philippines, you will find that far more draconian measures were used in the above Countries mentioned to stop the spread of Covid19. As in China, extreme lock-downs including curfews, compulsory use of social distancing and masks, measures that could not be enforced in Uk and even if attempted to be imposed on the population would not be observed by the majority. In areas of Cebu City in the Philippines there is a 8pm to 5am curfew at present, only one registered person per household allowed out of the house to go out for shopping on just one allotted day of the week, compulsory use of face masks outside the home, refusal to do may will lead to arrest. Many police and military out in these countries to monitor the people and I am told military in tanks and armoured cars to be seen in Cebu. OMG, try that in many Cities in UK and see what would happen, same goes for USA. Our people are just not used to be under such strict regimes of the type that you get out in many Far Eastern Countries, if you do not do as you are told, you are in for it. Even though the UK public have been giving the instructions about social distancing and the use of wearing masks, so many ( especially younger people ) have completely ignored the message. I have even been abused and sworn at on 2 separate occasions because when out shopping, i was wearing thin surgeon type gloves,mask and a face visor, I just ignored those 2 idiots and laughed inside myself at their ignorance and stupidity.
''Here are the points to remember for the ECQ in Cebu City:
A. Mandatory Stay-at-home order and curfew. All Cebu City residents are mandated to stay at home, especially before during the curfew from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. daily. Senior citizens and minors are not allowed to go outside except for emergencies.
Quarantine passes must be brought by residents buying essential goods for their families. Mandatory wearing of masks. Masks should be worn in public places and the law enforcers are tasked to ensure that this is strictly followed.
Individuals not wearing masks may be apprehended.

Read more: https://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/3189 ... z6SYwuzX9S
Follow us: @inquirerdotnet on Twitter | inquirerdotnet on Facebook

So no illegal raves for kids to go to
No civil servants going to castles for eye tests etc ?

[Dunners]

Crisis are usually best handled by managerialist type governments. We happened to vote in a neo-con liberalist masquerading as a popularist.

[Sid Bishop]

Breaking Cebu News! Armed Forces of the Philippines and armored personnel in the Sitio Zapatera, Barrio Luz, Cebu City.
Military personnel with armored came to Sitio Zapatera will assist Philippine National Police with total lockdown in Sitio Zapatera, Barrio Luz, Cebu City. This situation reason happened yesterday after confirmed 24 new positive cases CoronaVirus in this location. Yesturday Cebu City Health Department reported 24 new positive cases of COVID-19 in Sitio Zapatera, Barrio Luz, Cebu City.
Armed Forces of the Philippines and their armored personnel carriers will assist the Philippine National Police in implementing the total lockdown in Sitio Zapatera, Barrio Luz, Cebu City. Wrote mayor Edgar Labella in his Facebook page https://www.cebusite.com/news/2732781/a ... -cebu-city

[Sid Bishop]

South Korea (pop 51 million): 289 deaths
Thailand (pop 70 million): 58 deaths
Singapore (pop 6 million): 26 deaths
Taiwan (population 24 million): 7 deaths
Vietnam (pop 95 million) : 0 deaths.

UK (pop 68 million): 44,630 deaths officially, 65,000+ according to ONS research on the excess death rate.

Yet we still have morons suggesting that the Tory Govt. have done a good job.

Knowing people in some of those countries mentioned, also Philippines, you will find that far more draconian measures were used in the above Countries mentioned to stop the spread of Covid19. As in China, extreme lock-downs including curfews, compulsory use of social distancing and masks, measures that could not be enforced in Uk and even if attempted to be imposed on the population would not be observed by the majority. In areas of Cebu City in the Philippines there is a 8pm to 5am curfew at present, only one registered person per household allowed out of the house to go out for shopping on just one allotted day of the week, compulsory use of face masks outside the home, refusal to do may will lead to arrest. Many police and military out in these countries to monitor the people and I am told military in tanks and armoured cars to be seen in Cebu. OMG, try that in many Cities in UK and see what would happen, same goes for USA. Our people are just not used to be under such strict regimes of the type that you get out in many Far Eastern Countries, if you do not do as you are told, you are in for it. Even though the UK public have been giving the instructions about social distancing and the use of wearing masks, so many ( especially younger people ) have completely ignored the message. I have even been abused and sworn at on 2 separate occasions because when out shopping, i was wearing thin surgeon type gloves,mask and a face visor, I just ignored those 2 idiots and laughed inside myself at their ignorance and stupidity.
''Here are the points to remember for the ECQ in Cebu City:
A. Mandatory Stay-at-home order and curfew. All Cebu City residents are mandated to stay at home, especially before during the curfew from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. daily. Senior citizens and minors are not allowed to go outside except for emergencies.
Quarantine passes must be brought by residents buying essential goods for their families. Mandatory wearing of masks. Masks should be worn in public places and the law enforcers are tasked to ensure that this is strictly followed.
Individuals not wearing masks may be apprehended.

Read more: https://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/3189 ... z6SYwuzX9S
Follow us: @inquirerdotnet on Twitter | inquirerdotnet on Facebook

So no illegal raves for kids to go to
No civil servants going to castles for eye tests etc ?

You do not mess around with these people.

[tuffers#1]

This government undoubtedly made a number of mistakes in the handling of the pandemic.

However, nobody has any idea as to whether a different government would have handled it differently, better or worse.

On that basis, should we absolve Tony Blair for the Iraq War then?

Can you explain what you mean in relation to absolving Blair from the Ira1 War please.

Maybe you felt it was unjust at the time , but those in westminster voted for the "War to take place "
All but a few voted against.

Jeremy Corbyn Diane Abbott & 1 or 2 other Hard Left mps.

Now that is such a coincidence that
You agreed with Corbyn & Abbott