Tory Watch

[NuneatonO's]

This short video really does just about sum it up.

Flipperty-flop, flopperty-flip, flip flop flop.

[Thor]

Boring Nuneatono.

I see that the prime minister has announced an independent inquiry, how more open and honest can you get? Lessons will no doubt be learnt, but died in the wool tory haters like yourself will never find anything good enough for what they do.

I'd say you're a dinosaur following dinosaur politics as the people of this country for over 100 years quite clearly want what the tories offer, hence why they've been i power for longer in that period.

[PoliticOs]

How can you be a progressive, like NuneatonOs seems to be AND a dinosaur when the country consistently votes for conservative (i.e non progressive, traditional) politics? Surely that makes you and other Tory-voters Dinosaurs? That's literally the point of what they do.

Same as when people say the likes of Corbyn would 'take us back to the 70's'. If they are conservative they should want that.

Can't have it both ways.

[E10EU]

There is no low to which 10 Downing Street won't sink!
They had wanted (failing) Grayling to become the head of the Intelligence & Security committee. Perhaps he had instructions on how to lose the Russia investigation which Johnson has refused to disclose since last October?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rity-chair

This government is getting more dangerous each day!

[E10EU]

As I said: they are getting more dangerous each day.
The country is on it's knees with the pandemic and the Brexit fall-out still to come, yet the Johnson cabal is mostly interested in expanding Cummings power over this country. All the usual parliamentary protocol and rules for conduct are out of the window.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... leave-post

[Mikero]

" how more open and honest can you get?"

I will reserve judgement on that until I have seen who is to chair it and what its terms of reference are.

Mikero

[Disoriented]

Chris Grayling can’t even win a rigged election!

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

As I said: they are getting more dangerous each day.
The country is on it's knees with the pandemic and the Brexit fall-out still to come, yet the Johnson cabal is mostly interested in expanding Cummings power over this country. All the usual parliamentary protocol and rules for conduct are out of the window.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... leave-post

Totally out of the window. It’s like they know that this is their final days and the game is up.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... y-pandemic

[Dohnut]

Just love all the Guardian posts. The new bible, in a daily mail sort of way.

[tuffers#1]

Pulling out of the Huwaweii deal
Shows us Boris Brexit is whats good for the
United States & not for the people who voted
for it.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Just love all the Guardian posts. The new bible, in a daily mail sort of way.

Problem is no one else will report anything negative about these fannies.

[E10EU]

Just love all the Guardian posts.

Happy to oblige. A wide range of information is so important, especially when so many people can't comprehend anything beyond a 3-word-slogan.

[E10EU]

These government enquiries into the conduct of their own MPs and ministers are a bit of a joke, aren't they?
This article from Saturday predates today's announcement to which I linked at 9.05 above.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ing-claims

Seems that this article predicted accurately what has transpired today.

Personally, I don't know why No.10 is so desperate to defend Priti Patel. Everything that comes from her 'policies' is quite ignorant and arrogant, to the point of being hateful and vicious.
I am still chuckling at her edict of 14 days self-imposed quarantine for arrivals in the UK .... after they had freely travelled and shopped and socialised from leaving their airport of arrival. and possibly had flown in from a country with a proper strategy for test & trace.

[NuneatonO's]

MP who beat Chris Grayling to intelligence chair role loses Tory whip

Julian Lewis kicked out of parliamentary party after beating Boris Johnson’s pick
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... rity-chair

This could spectacularly backfire on Cummings and his deputy-leader Johnson, as Julian Lewis now has nothing whatsoever to lose. Here's a decent overview:



Perhaps it's Johnson who needs to acquire some more Calvin Klein's?

[faldO]

Just love all the Guardian posts. The new bible, in a daily mail sort of way.

Make the most of them. The Guardian announced plans to make 180 people redundant yesterday.

Shame for those who lose their jobs but perhaps it says something about the stuff they are churning out these days.

[NuneatonO's]

Make the most of them. The Guardian announced plans to make 180 people redundant yesterday.

Shame for those who lose their jobs but perhaps it says something about the stuff they are churning out these days.

On that basis then, the 650,000 jobs lost since Coronavirus began must be due to what the Tory Government are churning out these days?

UK employers have shed almost 650,000 jobs since crisis began
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/coron ... Wi5ZA7ye71

As you may be aware, this is predicted to rise to THREE MILLION.

I blame the Unions!

[AckneyAwks]

I feel for anyone who is made redundant as i have experienced it myself previously after 27 years service and i now have redundancy hanging over me again which will be decided by the end of July. During recent years the figures for people claiming unemployment benefit has decreased as far as i'm aware which is a good thing for everyone, whatever political persuasion you may have. What we have gone through in the past few months is unprecedented and to put all the blame on the Conservative government is not entirely fair regarding job losses. Too many employers are taking advantage of a situaton to cut jobs and decrease thier losses even though they have benefited from the governments furlough scheme which has been a fantastic financial assistance to millions of workers. In a lot of cases when the buisiness and financial climate improves, which it will then you will find that these companies start re-deploying. We know nearly all buisineses have taken major losses but in a lot of cases they are acting unfairly and hopefully the government can penalise them and somehow many jobs can be saved. My thoughts and opinions come from what i would call the middle ground, as i said earlier i may be redundant in a few weeks but i still try to keep a fair balanced opinion and not a radical one whether that be right or left.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

I feel for anyone who is made redundant as i have experienced it myself previously after 27 years service and i now have redundancy hanging over me again which will be decided by the end of July. During recent years the figures for people claiming unemployment benefit has decreased as far as i'm aware which is a good thing for everyone, whatever political persuasion you may have. What we have gone through in the past few months is unprecedented and to put all the blame on the Conservative government is not entirely fair regarding job losses. Too many employers are taking advantage of a situaton to cut jobs and decrease thier losses even though they have benefited from the governments furlough scheme which has been a fantastic financial assistance to millions of workers. In a lot of cases when the buisiness and financial climate improves, which it will then you will find that these companies start re-deploying. We know nearly all buisineses have taken major losses but in a lot of cases they are acting unfairly and hopefully the government can penalise them and somehow many jobs can be saved. My thoughts and opinions come from what i would call the middle ground, as i said earlier i may be redundant in a few weeks but i still try to keep a fair balanced opinion and not a radical one whether that be right or left.

Amazing how many pro Government comments come from the 'middle ground'.

[PoliticOs]

Sorry to hear you've got redundancy hanging over your head Ackney. Hope that pressure disappears soon and you're in a more secure position with it shortly mate.

A few things, and I'll start by saying there are definite positives within employment under the Conservatives. I'd also say a radical opinion isn't necessarily a bad thing! Being in the middle is all well and good but great changes can be made from stronger opinions.

Around 2019ish there were around 3.3/3.4 million more people in work than in 2010. But, there were also around 3 million more 16 plus year olds in the UK at working age. It's still an improvement, but needs some context.

Equally as does; the amount of people on zero hour or unstable contracts (for balance, take them away and it's still record numbers but it's work the majority do not want to be in), those going self employed, those working two jobs at least and those relying on in work benefits. Add it all up and it's not an easy job market. There are many more jobs now for quantity, but are they quality? And I don't just mean getting your hands dirty.

Also, the way disabled people have had benefits removed, forced into work and had either loss of life or significant loss of quality to life in the past decade is a national scandal. Is someone with a serious illness going into work (a good thing on the outside) and then dying or losing all quality of life worth the increase in employment statistics? To some, yes. To me, no.

Just some thoughts. I'm obviously anti-Tory but I'm fair enough to see their good work, however their employment boasts need some serious context.

[Mikero]

"Pulling out of the Huwaweii deal"

The idiocy of this deal is that we will be replacing Huwaweii routers that are 'belieived' to suseceptable to hacking with Cisco ones that are 'known' to be hackable. Where is the sense in that and its costing us £8 billion.

Mikero

[NuneatonO's]

"Pulling out of the Huwaweii deal"

The idiocy of this deal is that we will be replacing Huwaweii routers that are 'belieived' to suseceptable to hacking with Cisco ones that are 'known' to be hackable. Where is the sense in that and its costing us £8 billion.

Mikero

'Pulling out at the right time' is quite evidently something else that Johnson the isn't very good at.

[NuneatonO's]

Even MORE utter confusion:



It does genuinely beg the question why Tory Cabinet Ministers; who I assume have had Private/University levels of education; are finding it so incredibly difficult to communicate clearly and effectively with people?


This is an utter disgrace. They are potentially talking about peoples' lives here!

[Mikero]

Some of them are finding it very difficult to spout the load of lying BS that is the party line for that particular morning. University would have demanded straight facts, now all they have to work with are platitudes.

Mikero

[faldO]

Listening to that Kay Burley interview I don't know what's more scary, the mess the government is in over masks or people wetting themselves over whether they should wear a mask when they "pop into Pret" and needing to have every little detail and scenario explained to them.

Whilst we're talking about politicians needing to give clear answers, perhaps someone could ask Anneliese Dodds to explain Labour's position on wealth tax.

[NuneatonO's]

Listening to that Kay Burley interview I don't know what's more scary, the mess the government is in over masks or people wetting themselves over whether they should wear a mask when they "pop into Pret" and needing to have every little detail and scenario explained to them.

Whilst we're talking about politicians needing to give clear answers, perhaps someone could ask Anneliese Dodds to explain Labour's position on wealth tax.

How extraordinary for a Tory supporter to be focussed upon the subject of wealth and taxes - given the current Pandemic; a shattered economy; mass unemployment; an apocalyptic recession looming, etc.

You know very well that the wealthiest should be contributing more. You also know very well that Labour hasn't set out its plans fully at this fime.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... f-22343115

However, here's the crux of the issue. We are in opposition; so whatever stance Starmer QC takes on any wealth taxation, is quite irrelevant at this time.

Last time I looked, the Tory Party hadn't outlined their plans on wealth tax either - yet they are the ones running this utter sh!tefest!

So your point is?