Anthony Wordsworth

[Sid Bishop]

Decent pedigree. 31 so not too old these days. Only 10 games for a struggling AFC Wimbledon side Last season is a bit worrying. Dropping down a level may be right for him now.

But my guess is that if we sign him, Cisse is off the menu.

My shrimper nephew thinks that he can be a quality player but a bit injury prone. And can be lazy and frustrating. But overall he liked him. So if he signs, stays injury free and is motivated by Ross we may have a winner.

But I really hope we don’t have another player who is injured some of the time then not quite up to speed when fit. And that Ross is able to get the best out of him because he has quality.

Lot of ''If's'' there, especially the thought of being motivated by Ross........Motivated by a Ross team talk to doze off more like it !

Should he sign I’m sure he will be fit and ready for game 1. We’ve had enough of contracts for players who are unavailable for months. That just won’t happen again, will it.

Sadly I find Ross interviews generally boring. Lacking any real insight and uninspiring. His chats have got better to be fair, he seems comfortable talking. But motivational, don’t work for me.

A Ross team talk is a good time to brighten up the day by opening a pack of Jelly Babies !
Deadly for me to open a pack of Jelly Babies, Maynards Wine gums or a bar of Cadburys milk chocolate !
Sheer pleasure followed by a guilt trip of having devoured the whole lot so quickly !

[Top of the JES]

Lazy b*stard scouting
watching videos , listening to fat agents over lunch, and watching players videos 20 years ago - old fashioned sh*t
get off yer fat arse and scout the lower leagues for hungry talented players who are eager , want to play, would love to have a professional contract playing football, and are not injured
scout the teams in the lower leagues for players want to play rather than the journeymen who are just doing the circuit for I dont give a sh*t 2 year contract
My god we have enough coaches but we need the young talented players to coach not old set in their ways who dont give a toss .
There are hundreds of players who would play for expenses, its called active scouting

Actually I agree with most of this. We could probably sign four or Five young hungry players in the Marvin mould rather than the couple of old lags we are going to get we might just unearth a real gem. No doubt that Wordsworth is talented but with 21 Pros already signed up this season we would be better served with lads who want to prove themselves in the EFL. They are out there in the National leagues and even lower we took a chance with Marvin we should be a bit more ambitious and cast our net a bit wider.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Lazy b*stard scouting
watching videos , listening to fat agents over lunch, and watching players videos 20 years ago - old fashioned sh*t
get off yer fat arse and scout the lower leagues for hungry talented players who are eager , want to play, would love to have a professional contract playing football, and are not injured
scout the teams in the lower leagues for players want to play rather than the journeymen who are just doing the circuit for I dont give a sh*t 2 year contract
My god we have enough coaches but we need the young talented players to coach not old set in their ways who dont give a toss .
There are hundreds of players who would play for expenses, its called active scouting

Actually I agree with most of this. We could probably sign four or Five young hungry players in the Marvin mould rather than the couple of old lags we are going to get we might just unearth a real gem. No doubt that Wordsworth is talented but with 21 Pros already signed up this season we would be better served with lads who want to prove themselves in the EFL. They are out there in the National leagues and even lower we took a chance with Marvin we should be a bit more ambitious and cast our net a bit wider.

But signing Wordsworth doesn't mean we can't still take a punt on some lower league talent. They're not mutially exclusive strategies. And we actually improve the team and restock the pipeline with this blended approach, achieving two objectives instead of one.

[Top of the JES]

Lazy b*stard scouting
watching videos , listening to fat agents over lunch, and watching players videos 20 years ago - old fashioned sh*t
get off yer fat arse and scout the lower leagues for hungry talented players who are eager , want to play, would love to have a professional contract playing football, and are not injured
scout the teams in the lower leagues for players want to play rather than the journeymen who are just doing the circuit for I dont give a sh*t 2 year contract
My god we have enough coaches but we need the young talented players to coach not old set in their ways who dont give a toss .
There are hundreds of players who would play for expenses, its called active scouting

Actually I agree with most of this. We could probably sign four or Five young hungry players in the Marvin mould rather than the couple of old lags we are going to get we might just unearth a real gem. No doubt that Wordsworth is talented but with 21 Pros already signed up this season we would be better served with lads who want to prove themselves in the EFL. They are out there in the National leagues and even lower we took a chance with Marvin we should be a bit more ambitious and cast our net a bit wider.

But signing Wordsworth doesn't mean we can't still take a punt on some lower league talent. They're not mutially exclusive strategies. And we actually improve the team and restock the pipeline with this blended approach, achieving two objectives instead of one.

Be good if thats the plan, but Embleton intimated on his interview today that there were only likely to be "a couple" of signings.

[Sid Bishop]

Lazy b*stard scouting
watching videos , listening to fat agents over lunch, and watching players videos 20 years ago - old fashioned sh*t
get off yer fat arse and scout the lower leagues for hungry talented players who are eager , want to play, would love to have a professional contract playing football, and are not injured
scout the teams in the lower leagues for players want to play rather than the journeymen who are just doing the circuit for I dont give a sh*t 2 year contract
My god we have enough coaches but we need the young talented players to coach not old set in their ways who dont give a toss .
There are hundreds of players who would play for expenses, its called active scouting

Actually I agree with most of this. We could probably sign four or Five young hungry players in the Marvin mould rather than the couple of old lags we are going to get we might just unearth a real gem. No doubt that Wordsworth is talented but with 21 Pros already signed up this season we would be better served with lads who want to prove themselves in the EFL. They are out there in the National leagues and even lower we took a chance with Marvin we should be a bit more ambitious and cast our net a bit wider.

But signing Wordsworth doesn't mean we can't still take a punt on some lower league talent. They're not mutially exclusive strategies. And we actually improve the team and restock the pipeline with this blended approach, achieving two objectives instead of one.

Sounds good IF it happens ?

[Sid Bishop]

Actually I agree with most of this. We could probably sign four or Five young hungry players in the Marvin mould rather than the couple of old lags we are going to get we might just unearth a real gem. No doubt that Wordsworth is talented but with 21 Pros already signed up this season we would be better served with lads who want to prove themselves in the EFL. They are out there in the National leagues and even lower we took a chance with Marvin we should be a bit more ambitious and cast our net a bit wider.

But signing Wordsworth doesn't mean we can't still take a punt on some lower league talent. They're not mutially exclusive strategies. And we actually improve the team and restock the pipeline with this blended approach, achieving two objectives instead of one.

Be good if thats the plan, but Embleton intimated on his interview today that there were only likely to be "a couple" of signings.

I am not a fan of Ross as our manager for many reasons, to me, seems more suited as a football coach than a manager, we shall see. I am quite a perceptive person and after seeing the photo of Danny Senda on the Leyton Orient website and reading about his past record, I have a good feeling about him, time will prove if that feeling is correct. He has played the game, coached young players and looks a bright and positive type of character, he looks like he could be a ''Good'un'' !

[DuvB]

But signing Wordsworth doesn't mean we can't still take a punt on some lower league talent. They're not mutially exclusive strategies. And we actually improve the team and restock the pipeline with this blended approach, achieving two objectives instead of one.

Be good if thats the plan, but Embleton intimated on his interview today that there were only likely to be "a couple" of signings.

I am not a fan of Ross as our manager for many reasons, to me, seems more suited as a football coach than a manager, we shall see. I am quite a perceptive person and after seeing the photo of Danny Senda on the Leyton Orient website and reading about his past record, I have a good feeling about him, time will prove if that feeling is correct. He has played the game, coached young players and looks a bright and positive type of character, he looks like he could be a ''Good'un'' !

If I send you a photo of my new girlfriend, can you please use your perceptiveness to give me feedback on her?

[faith1234]

I argree with you about ross but after the last man who lasted. 29 days the board are a bit funny about waseing money on a new manager but we will have to make do with it as i think the next 1 in line for ross job would be mcanuff

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Actually I agree with most of this. We could probably sign four or Five young hungry players in the Marvin mould rather than the couple of old lags we are going to get we might just unearth a real gem. No doubt that Wordsworth is talented but with 21 Pros already signed up this season we would be better served with lads who want to prove themselves in the EFL. They are out there in the National leagues and even lower we took a chance with Marvin we should be a bit more ambitious and cast our net a bit wider.

But signing Wordsworth doesn't mean we can't still take a punt on some lower league talent. They're not mutially exclusive strategies. And we actually improve the team and restock the pipeline with this blended approach, achieving two objectives instead of one.

Be good if thats the plan, but Embleton intimated on his interview today that there were only likely to be "a couple" of signings.

Let's be both objective and look at the big picture here then. We finished 17th in a truncated season and would probably have finished around about there had the season been played out in full. Next season two teams will go down. We're likely to see players like Brophy, Maguire-Drew, Wilkinson and Angol improve slightly, but regression from the likes of Coulson, Widdowson, Dayton, Wright, Clay and Turley. Other teams in the division will be improving. So in order for us to safeguard against the drop next season priority 1 should be improving the team.

[soloman]

Decent pedigree. 31 so not too old these days. Only 10 games for a struggling AFC Wimbledon side Last season is a bit worrying. Dropping down a level may be right for him now.

But my guess is that if we sign him, Cisse is off the menu.

My shrimper nephew thinks that he can be a quality player but a bit injury prone. And can be lazy and frustrating. But overall he liked him. So if he signs, stays injury free and is motivated by Ross we may have a winner.

But I really hope we don’t have another player who is injured some of the time then not quite up to speed when fit. And that Ross is able to get the best out of him because he has quality.

Lot of ''If's'' there, especially the thought of being motivated by Ross........Motivated by a Ross team talk to doze off more like it !

Should he sign I’m sure he will be fit and ready for game 1. We’ve had enough of contracts for players who are unavailable for months. That just won’t happen again, will it.

Sadly I find Ross interviews generally boring. Lacking any real insight and uninspiring. His chats have got better to be fair, he seems comfortable talking. But motivational, don’t work for me.

I am impressed Mafioso that you have been privvy to Ross's team talks on the training ground and changing rooms !

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Lazy b*stard scouting
watching videos , listening to fat agents over lunch, and watching players videos 20 years ago - old fashioned sh*t
get off yer fat arse and scout the lower leagues for hungry talented players who are eager , want to play, would love to have a professional contract playing football, and are not injured
scout the teams in the lower leagues for players want to play rather than the journeymen who are just doing the circuit for I dont give a sh*t 2 year contract
My god we have enough coaches but we need the young talented players to coach not old set in their ways who dont give a toss .
There are hundreds of players who would play for expenses, its called active scouting

WOW, my post of the day !

Really? It would make more sense to be picking up promising young players or those who are yet to peak from higher division teams who are having to cut budgets and therefore cannot afford these guys any longer. There are going to be good quality players available this summer who would take a two year deal with release clauses at a team lower in the pyramid than they would ideally like because of the number of free agents and limits on what teams can afford. They would then be motivated to earn themselves a move back up the pyramid, and the number of players with reasonable potential will be higher than the number available from non league teams. Shame we hamstrung ourselves by handing out unnecessary contract extensions to the likes of Coulson, Brill and Dayton who we could have had off of the payroll and used their salary to bring in players from higher up.

[DuvB]

Lazy b*stard scouting
watching videos , listening to fat agents over lunch, and watching players videos 20 years ago - old fashioned sh*t
get off yer fat arse and scout the lower leagues for hungry talented players who are eager , want to play, would love to have a professional contract playing football, and are not injured
scout the teams in the lower leagues for players want to play rather than the journeymen who are just doing the circuit for I dont give a sh*t 2 year contract
My god we have enough coaches but we need the young talented players to coach not old set in their ways who dont give a toss .
There are hundreds of players who would play for expenses, its called active scouting

WOW, my post of the day !

Really? It would make more sense to be picking up promising young players or those who are yet to peak from higher division teams who are having to cut budgets and therefore cannot afford these guys any longer. There are going to be good quality players available this summer who would take a two year deal with release clauses at a team lower in the pyramid than they would ideally like because of the number of free agents and limits on what teams can afford. They would then be motivated to earn themselves a move back up the pyramid, and the number of players with reasonable potential will be higher than the number available from non league teams. Shame we hamstrung ourselves by handing out unnecessary contract extensions to the likes of Coulson, Brill and Dayton who we could have had off of the payroll and used their salary to bring in players from higher up.

I accept your point above but I would rather have players on board whose attributes and standards are known, rather than gamble on unknown quantity new guys for the sake of it. Look at the recent additions - how many of them have performed well for us? Some of us are praying for someone to take Dennis, Angol and even Wikinson off our hands. Yes, the old guys may be approaching their sell by dates but unless one can definitively state they are over the hill, then they are useful if only as back up players.

[Dohnut]

But signing Wordsworth doesn't mean we can't still take a punt on some lower league talent. They're not mutially exclusive strategies. And we actually improve the team and restock the pipeline with this blended approach, achieving two objectives instead of one.

Be good if thats the plan, but Embleton intimated on his interview today that there were only likely to be "a couple" of signings.

Let's be both objective and look at the big picture here then. We finished 17th in a truncated season and would probably have finished around about there had the season been played out in full. Next season two teams will go down. We're likely to see players like Brophy, Maguire-Drew, Wilkinson and Angol improve slightly, but regression from the likes of Coulson, Widdowson, Dayton, Wright, Clay and Turley. Other teams in the division will be improving. So in order for us to safeguard against the drop next season priority 1 should be improving the team.

I like your summary. Looking at players in that light makes absolute sense. If you add to that those average players who maybe have reached their peak, like Ling, the largely unknown quantities like Dennis and doubts about Jobi’s ability to put in a full year, our season will largely depend on whether other teams have really improved or not.

Overall we haven’t, far from it. Right now we are far worse that last term in my opinion.

Add to that an inexperienced manager and now inexperienced assistant whom we hope have improved from last season.

I find it staggering that we are entrusting the future of this club to a guy With a piss poor record who didn’t want the gig and assistant with next to no managerial experience in the hope that they come good. A gamble that is unnecessary. Orient have moved back into the realms of hope rather than planned progress. I hope it works.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

WOW, my post of the day !

Really? It would make more sense to be picking up promising young players or those who are yet to peak from higher division teams who are having to cut budgets and therefore cannot afford these guys any longer. There are going to be good quality players available this summer who would take a two year deal with release clauses at a team lower in the pyramid than they would ideally like because of the number of free agents and limits on what teams can afford. They would then be motivated to earn themselves a move back up the pyramid, and the number of players with reasonable potential will be higher than the number available from non league teams. Shame we hamstrung ourselves by handing out unnecessary contract extensions to the likes of Coulson, Brill and Dayton who we could have had off of the payroll and used their salary to bring in players from higher up.

I accept your point above but I would rather have players on board whose attributes and standards are known, rather than gamble on unknown quantity new guys for the sake of it. Look at the recent additions - how many of them have performed well for us? Some of us are praying for someone to take Dennis, Angol and even Wikinson off our hands. Yes, the old guys may be approaching their sell by dates but unless one can definitively state they are over the hill, then they are useful if only as back up players.

Wilkinson is an example of a player we took from a lower division team, Dennis made one appearance for Pompey according to Wiki and Angol is a bit older than the type I'm suggesting we target - which is relatively young players who have made first team appearances in higher divisions who are victims of the shortage of money/number of players teams can afford further up.

[Sid Bishop]

Lazy b*stard scouting
watching videos , listening to fat agents over lunch, and watching players videos 20 years ago - old fashioned sh*t
get off yer fat arse and scout the lower leagues for hungry talented players who are eager , want to play, would love to have a professional contract playing football, and are not injured
scout the teams in the lower leagues for players want to play rather than the journeymen who are just doing the circuit for I dont give a sh*t 2 year contract
My god we have enough coaches but we need the young talented players to coach not old set in their ways who dont give a toss .
There are hundreds of players who would play for expenses, its called active scouting

WOW, my post of the day !

Really? It would make more sense to be picking up promising young players or those who are yet to peak from higher division teams who are having to cut budgets and therefore cannot afford these guys any longer. There are going to be good quality players available this summer who would take a two year deal with release clauses at a team lower in the pyramid than they would ideally like because of the number of free agents and limits on what teams can afford. They would then be motivated to earn themselves a move back up the pyramid, and the number of players with reasonable potential will be higher than the number available from non league teams. Shame we hamstrung ourselves by handing out unnecessary contract extensions to the likes of Coulson, Brill and Dayton who we could have had off of the payroll and used their salary to bring in players from higher up.

Yes getting in promising young players from higher or lower teams would be better than getting in older players with past injury problems as we seem to so often do.
Yes agree ''Shame we hamstrung ourselves by handing out unnecessary contract extensions to the likes of Coulson, Brill and Dayton who we could have had off of the payroll and used their salary to bring in players from higher up'' add to that Ling Junior.
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[faith1234]

Not on the main web site yet but if true ok signing

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Some really good posts in this thread. Considered and accurate in my mind. And good that there's one thread we can productively critique recruitment without being called a moaner.

Marvin was a great example of proactive scouting, who did well for us out of obscurity and has now gone onto League One. I know it's easier said than done, and there will be more misses than hits but i'd rather 17th in the league taking a chance of a few players, with experienced mixed in then somewhere in the middle where you get the worst of both worlds.

What i'd like is some sort of club philosophy going forward. Look at Brentford, a club not massively different to ours in terms of size. They implemented a way of doing things, really stuck to it, made some hard decisions and look at them now. What's Orient's current philosophy on scouting/coaching/style/type of player etc...? I couldn't tell you.

It would be nice if we invested some money in some quality, proven, new thinkers in the scouting department and like what has been discussed, decide on an approach to player recruitment. And sort of framework of what an Orient player is. Personality, skill set, style of play, ambition, etc...

At the moment we seem to have a scatter gun approach to everything. Get a new manager, doesn't work? get rid, bring in someone else. Offer contract extensions to players because they performed well in one season without looking at things like regression and how else the money could be used...sure thing.

As is clear, I dont think Ross is the man to take us forward and dont really agree with bringing in an inexperienced assistant to 'help' him. BUT if i knew that it fit with the clubs philosophy and long term strategy then I'd back it. I trust Nigel and Kent as business men but not necessarily people making the football decisions. But if it fit into some sort of communicated plan then I'd happily go along for the ride.

[Horient]

Just had a chat with mate who’s an AFC Wimbledon fan.

Apprently Wordsworth a very good player but consistently injured these days and not worth the money he was on to play so little games. Hence being let go.

Also mentioned it was constantly a new injury each time so a sign his body has just gone and can’t handle it anymore.

[PoliticOs]

Some really good posts in this thread. Considered and accurate in my mind. And good that there's one thread we can productively critique recruitment without being called a moaner.

Marvin was a great example of proactive scouting, who did well for us out of obscurity and has now gone onto League One. I know it's easier said than done, and there will be more misses than hits but i'd rather 17th in the league taking a chance of a few players, with experienced mixed in then somewhere in the middle where you get the worst of both worlds.

What i'd like is some sort of club philosophy going forward. Look at Brentford, a club not massively different to ours in terms of size. They implemented a way of doing things, really stuck to it, made some hard decisions and look at them now. What's Orient's current philosophy on scouting/coaching/style/type of player etc...? I couldn't tell you.

It would be nice if we invested some money in some quality, proven, new thinkers in the scouting department and like what has been discussed, decide on an approach to player recruitment. And sort of framework of what an Orient player is. Personality, skill set, style of play, ambition, etc...

At the moment we seem to have a scatter gun approach to everything. Get a new manager, doesn't work? get rid, bring in someone else. Offer contract extensions to players because they performed well in one season without looking at things like regression and how else the money could be used...sure thing.

As is clear, I dont think Ross is the man to take us forward and dont really agree with bringing in an inexperienced assistant to 'help' him. BUT if i knew that it fit with the clubs philosophy and long term strategy then I'd back it. I trust Nigel and Kent as business men but not necessarily people making the football decisions. But if it fit into some sort of communicated plan then I'd happily go along for the ride.

Good and considered post. I've disagreed with you a few times on football this past week, please don't think I'm digging for the sake of it, nor defending the club for the sake of it. But I'd just say a few things, of which I'd be interested in your thoughts.

- Regarding specific philosophies that are somewhat unique, I can probably think of Peterborough (big fees for non league, transfer list final year of contract for all), Stevenage (low fee non league, hungry), Crawley (big B team with non contract, non signed trialists from non league training everyday) and Brentford (moneyball), Crewe. Do you know many others?

- Do you not think we have a framework for personality, skill set, style of play etc? It seems odd to think we wouldn't, Ross critiques aside. I know you might rightly say it doesn't look like they do, but realistically.

[Kitch’s Magic Toes]

Will be crossing my fingers that this is all bollocks. He’s been horrendously injury-prone throughout his career. No point signing a good player who is never available.

[gshaw]

Will be crossing my fingers that this is all bollocks. He’s been horrendously injury-prone throughout his career. No point signing a good player who is never available.

Ling standard practice, trying hard to replicate the Adams / Gorman selection process as closely as possible

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Will be crossing my fingers that this is all bollocks. He’s been horrendously injury-prone throughout his career. No point signing a good player who is never available.

Having had a look at Wiki he hasn't been amazingly injury prone, though obvious caveats about last season and his age now. As to whether there's any point, that depends how team friendly the contract is (e.g. low basic with higher bonuses) and how much he will improve the team/whether worth it to get 25-35 games out of him.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Will be crossing my fingers that this is all bollocks. He’s been horrendously injury-prone throughout his career. No point signing a good player who is never available.

Ling standard practice, trying hard to replicate the Adams / Gorman selection process as closely as possible

It's not standard practice at all. That's just you whingeing as usual.

[gshaw]

Will be crossing my fingers that this is all bollocks. He’s been horrendously injury-prone throughout his career. No point signing a good player who is never available.

Ling standard practice, trying hard to replicate the Adams / Gorman selection process as closely as possible

It's not standard practice at all. That's just you whingeing as usual.

If we get Ouss you can reference that comment and I'll be happy to let you have the score. If we don't it's goal to the opposition

[Sid Bishop]

Be good if thats the plan, but Embleton intimated on his interview today that there were only likely to be "a couple" of signings.

I am not a fan of Ross as our manager for many reasons, to me, seems more suited as a football coach than a manager, we shall see. I am quite a perceptive person and after seeing the photo of Danny Senda on the Leyton Orient website and reading about his past record, I have a good feeling about him, time will prove if that feeling is correct. He has played the game, coached young players and looks a bright and positive type of character, he looks like he could be a ''Good'un'' !

If I send you a photo of my new girlfriend, can you please use your perceptiveness to give me feedback on her?

Sure !