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No, but Thank God I don’t live in Manchester and have to use itPrestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:04 am Can anybody make sense of this new junction in Manchester?![]()
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Something similar to this is being proposed for the Brook House roundabout at the top of leaBridge Road in ClaptonPrestige Worldwide wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 10:04 am Can anybody make sense of this new junction in Manchester?![]()
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But everyone knows that cyclists don't stop at lightsMick McQuaid wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:18 am Luckily as stillspike says it's not designed to be hovered over, at ground level you just follow the lights.
Popular all over Holland and a rare example of taking a tried and tested idea that works perfectly well rather than going for a World beating British design.
I think most of us want safer more liveable cities for all of us. But is ignoring a red light now permitted for cyclists according to the Highway Code?OyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:55 am Indeed, and I got an earful from a motorcyclist yesterday for (quite safely, and in full knowledge of traffic flows) going through a red yesterday. The motorcyclist promptly triggered a warning sign for speeding, which rather undermined his sense of rectitude.
Anyway, there's plenty of evidence for many cyclists intuit - that it is actually safer for them to make their own decisions about when to cross, rather than to rely on the same traffic signals that apply to motor traffic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop. After all, if they get it wrong, it's them that pays the price, not drivers.
And it doesn't seem unfair to me to apply a different standard to a vehicle that is only a fraction as heavy, and rather slower than a motor vehicle. Cars, vans, lorries, and motorbikes can strike with lethal force (and that's before we even get into the pollution question) and should absolutely be more tightly managed than cyclists.
I speak as a pedestrian, a cyclist, and a driver. I want this city to be more liveable for my children as they grow up, and if that means more cycling and less driving - good.
The Idaho stop would work in America because stop signs for motorists (including three or four way stops at junctions) are a lot more common there, so people are used to them and actually treat them as stop signs because police enforce them. If the Idaho stop rule was in place over here, in reality how many cyclists would bring their cycle fully to a halt at a red light before then starting to cycle again?OyinbO wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 11:55 am Indeed, and I got an earful from a motorcyclist yesterday for (quite safely, and in full knowledge of traffic flows) going through a red yesterday. The motorcyclist promptly triggered a warning sign for speeding, which rather undermined his sense of rectitude.
Anyway, there's plenty of evidence for many cyclists intuit - that it is actually safer for them to make their own decisions about when to cross, rather than to rely on the same traffic signals that apply to motor traffic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop. After all, if they get it wrong, it's them that pays the price, not drivers.
And it doesn't seem unfair to me to apply a different standard to a vehicle that is only a fraction as heavy, and rather slower than a motor vehicle. Cars, vans, lorries, and motorbikes can strike with lethal force (and that's before we even get into the pollution question) and should absolutely be more tightly managed than cyclists.
I speak as a pedestrian, a cyclist, and a driver. I want this city to be more liveable for my children as they grow up, and if that means more cycling and less driving - good.
CorrectedMikero wrote: ↑Sun Jul 12, 2020 3:05 pm The problem is that a handful of idiot cyclists ignore red lights at pedestrian crossings and try a weave through the people on them, who have to jump out of the way when they have every right to be there. The only way is to impound cycles as they do with vehicles with no tax.
Mikero
This is a very bad idea. Would be a good idea to do some research on a subject before you air stupid opinions.