Cyclists again

[Long slender neck]

Can anybody make sense of this new junction in Manchester?

[Cheshunto]

Can anybody make sense of this new junction in Manchester?

No, but Thank God I don’t live in Manchester and have to use it

[Dunners]

Do the colours represent a scoring system?

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Looks like cyclists have right of way at all junctions. Good luck with that happening in reality. Cars will be knocking them over.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Do the colours represent a scoring system?

Excellent layout, giving cyclists priority over vehicles.

[Mikero]

Many of these in Holland and they complain about then as well.

Mikero

[StillSpike]

Presumably that's all traffic light controlled? With separate phases for the cyclists?

[RedDwarf 1881]

Can anybody make sense of this new junction in Manchester?

Something similar to this is being proposed for the Brook House roundabout at the top of leaBridge Road in Clapton

[Thor]

Looks like a g shock watch

[Mick McQuaid]

Luckily as stillspike says it's not designed to be hovered over, at ground level you just follow the lights.

Popular all over Holland and a rare example of taking a tried and tested idea that works perfectly well rather than going for a World beating British design.

[Ornchurch]

Luckily as stillspike says it's not designed to be hovered over, at ground level you just follow the lights.

Popular all over Holland and a rare example of taking a tried and tested idea that works perfectly well rather than going for a World beating British design.

But everyone knows that cyclists don't stop at lights

[OyinbO]

Indeed, and I got an earful from a motorcyclist yesterday for (quite safely, and in full knowledge of traffic flows) going through a red yesterday. The motorcyclist promptly triggered a warning sign for speeding, which rather undermined his sense of rectitude.

Anyway, there's plenty of evidence for many cyclists intuit - that it is actually safer for them to make their own decisions about when to cross, rather than to rely on the same traffic signals that apply to motor traffic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop. After all, if they get it wrong, it's them that pays the price, not drivers.

And it doesn't seem unfair to me to apply a different standard to a vehicle that is only a fraction as heavy, and rather slower than a motor vehicle. Cars, vans, lorries, and motorbikes can strike with lethal force (and that's before we even get into the pollution question) and should absolutely be more tightly managed than cyclists.

I speak as a pedestrian, a cyclist, and a driver. I want this city to be more liveable for my children as they grow up, and if that means more cycling and less driving - good.

[Thor]

I've cycled in Holland and I can tell you its absolutely wonderful. Never worrying about some lunatic taking you out and everyone happy relaxed and smiling its unreal. If you've a certain coloured number plate you can go in the cycle lanes on a scooter (restricted to approx 30mph).

[Dohnut]

Indeed, and I got an earful from a motorcyclist yesterday for (quite safely, and in full knowledge of traffic flows) going through a red yesterday. The motorcyclist promptly triggered a warning sign for speeding, which rather undermined his sense of rectitude.

Anyway, there's plenty of evidence for many cyclists intuit - that it is actually safer for them to make their own decisions about when to cross, rather than to rely on the same traffic signals that apply to motor traffic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop. After all, if they get it wrong, it's them that pays the price, not drivers.

And it doesn't seem unfair to me to apply a different standard to a vehicle that is only a fraction as heavy, and rather slower than a motor vehicle. Cars, vans, lorries, and motorbikes can strike with lethal force (and that's before we even get into the pollution question) and should absolutely be more tightly managed than cyclists.

I speak as a pedestrian, a cyclist, and a driver. I want this city to be more liveable for my children as they grow up, and if that means more cycling and less driving - good.

I think most of us want safer more liveable cities for all of us. But is ignoring a red light now permitted for cyclists according to the Highway Code?

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Indeed, and I got an earful from a motorcyclist yesterday for (quite safely, and in full knowledge of traffic flows) going through a red yesterday. The motorcyclist promptly triggered a warning sign for speeding, which rather undermined his sense of rectitude.

Anyway, there's plenty of evidence for many cyclists intuit - that it is actually safer for them to make their own decisions about when to cross, rather than to rely on the same traffic signals that apply to motor traffic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idaho_stop. After all, if they get it wrong, it's them that pays the price, not drivers.

And it doesn't seem unfair to me to apply a different standard to a vehicle that is only a fraction as heavy, and rather slower than a motor vehicle. Cars, vans, lorries, and motorbikes can strike with lethal force (and that's before we even get into the pollution question) and should absolutely be more tightly managed than cyclists.

I speak as a pedestrian, a cyclist, and a driver. I want this city to be more liveable for my children as they grow up, and if that means more cycling and less driving - good.

The Idaho stop would work in America because stop signs for motorists (including three or four way stops at junctions) are a lot more common there, so people are used to them and actually treat them as stop signs because police enforce them. If the Idaho stop rule was in place over here, in reality how many cyclists would bring their cycle fully to a halt at a red light before then starting to cycle again?

[RealLoughtonO]

Cycling in France is another world, the attitude of most drivers in the UK toward cyclists is poor, on a London to Paris once we arrived off the ferry even riding through a busy Calais, it was a world apart from the UK, at the end of the ride we did 3 laps of le arc de triomphe and around 15mls in Paris seeing the sights with vehicles giving way without a problem at all.

Try something similar in central London without getting maimed, there's no way on God's earth I'd ride a bike in London.

[Mikero]

The problem is that cyclists ignore red lights at pedestrian crossings and try a weave through the people on them, who have to jump out of the way when they have every right to be there. The only way is to impound cycles as they do with vehicles with no tax.

Mikero

[Disoriented]

I've cycled in Holland and I can tell you its absolutely wonderful. Never worrying about some lunatic taking you out and everyone happy relaxed and smiling its unreal.

Yeah, those drugs work a treat, don’t they.

[Horient]

Bloodbath.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

The problem is that a handful of idiot cyclists ignore red lights at pedestrian crossings and try a weave through the people on them, who have to jump out of the way when they have every right to be there. The only way is to impound cycles as they do with vehicles with no tax.

Mikero

Corrected

[HeyO]

Make helmets compulsory.

[Dohnut]

Make helmets compulsory.

Totally agree.

[TheTyrant]

Make helmets compulsory.

This is a very bad idea. Would be a good idea to do some research on a subject before you air stupid opinions.

[Thor]

Make helmets compulsory.

most cyclists are complete and utter helmets!!

[Stowaway]

Make helmets compulsory.

Er, why?