Assistant Manager

[PoundhillO]

You obviously know that is just completely over the top rubbish. He has had 3 seasons. Season one he built a team in a few weeks, season two much of that team finished as champions in a notoriously competitive league, season three we've been mostly poor. If he can keep up one promotion every three years i'll take that disaster.

But he won't and you know that.

The only successful season of the 3 was when Justin was here for it's entirety.

Yeah but to be fair the first season was with Steve Davis, so it's not fair to blame Ling for that?

It’s completely fair to blame Ling for Davis being appointed for the start of the first season, yet another howler !

[PoliticOs]

So it's fair to blame Ling for his failures but when we win promotion its only Edinburgh that got us there?

See the hypocrisy?

[PoundhillO]

So it's fair to blame Ling for his failures but when we win promotion its only Edinburgh that got us there?

See the hypocrisy?

Justin got us promotion, not Ling. Ling has had a 1 in 3 ratio of successful Managers , the failures being Davis and Fletcher with the jury out over Embleton as a possible 3rd failure .

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

So it's fair to blame Ling for his failures but when we win promotion its only Edinburgh that got us there?

See the hypocrisy?

No hypocrisy.

I also blame Davis, Embleton and Fletcher for the periods of failure, not just Ling. But Davis and Fletcher aren't here anymore.

[PoliticOs]

So it's fair to blame Ling for his failures but when we win promotion its only Edinburgh that got us there?

See the hypocrisy?

Justin got us promotion, not Ling. Ling has had a 1 in 3 ratio of successful Managers , the failures being Davis and Fletcher with the jury out over Embleton as a possible 3rd failure .

You don't see a hint of hypocrisy? Not even a teeny little bit?

RE: 1 in 3. Not sure that's a bad record. Particularly when it's brought promotion in 1 of 3 seasons. We'd have taken that when we first went down.

Let's look back then at the past 25 years. I won't include Riza, Webb, Edwards or Cavasin. 3 hits out of our last 11? I'd say he's doing about right.

Hessenthaler - MISS
Hendon - MISS
Liverani - MISS
Slade - HIT
Williams - MISS
Ling - HIT
Brush - MISS
Taylor - I'd say HIT
Holland - MISS
Turner - MISS
Sitton - MISS

He has made grave errors and I think he could do better. Our signings could be more ambitious (i.e not predictable bore signings) but its a fallacy to make out he has been a disaster.

[PoliticOs]

I'm not asking for any clarification really. It's just like you said, I'm also not really a fan of unfairness and I was just illustrating how your post was hypocritical. But we all do that from time to time, no big deal mate.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

TBH what experienced manager is going to want to come to a club be the assistant to someone with a couple of games under his belt? What's in it for them unless they are desperate or coming towards the end of their career?

[PoliticOs]

I ain't a hypocrite either

Read the published stuff it's there for you too

You called someone else out for not being there to know what happened and then followed it up by saying exactly what happened during a process you...were not there for.






(I actually agree it seems like the club handled it really badly, but I wasn't there!)

[PoliticOs]

No I get that mate. I'm not trying to be a willy.

I don't think you're a hypocrite myself. I'm just basing it on what I read or heard on all of your posts above.

[Ornchurch]

What / Who is a proven manager that would come to Orient?

[DuvB]

Given that Andy Gilson raised the issue of an assistant manager on Phoenix FM and even he cannot state where the idea of the role came from, this is a pointless string. Perhaps they were just filling time?

But given we have nothing else to debate and argue over, perhaps is it useful.

[Ornchurch]

What / Who is a proven manager that would come to Orient?

I think there is or was 92 football league clubs

But there so many that would grasp the opportunity to be a manager at any club

It's a fantastic job if you can get 1/92 and keep it

???

[OyinbO]

Given that Andy Gilson raised the issue of an assistant manager on Phoenix FM and even he cannot state where the idea of the role came from, this is a pointless string. Perhaps they were just filling time?

At least he's not on here "pretending" to be racist because he thinks it's funny. Small mercies.

[OyinbO]

Because they’re all mates and too close, difficult decisions cannot be made in that environment.

It’s an old boys network...

Whilst that's what it might look like, I don't think it is. Justin came in after all and sorted the mess out and fitted perfectly.

Maybe it's just a case of not seeing the woods for the trees scenario. It's just glaringly obvious.

This is such rhetoric now that it's annoying me to type it about Ross.

If Ross doesn't do well there's so much ammunition for supporters to use against him.

If Ross does well it'll be because we've got decent coaches around him like Jobi.

If we appoint an experienced Assistant and Ross does badly we'll want the Assistant to take over after 3 or 4 games.

If we appoint an experienced Assistant and Ross does well it'll be because of the new assistant.

All the above because we've been dithering around about what to do and all these stories.

Try as they might the likes of Nigel, Kent, Lingy will never convince the majority of fans that Ross earned the job because he was the best candidate. The entire team of players could issue a statement about it and still the fans won't believe it.

Again this is all because we faffed around and didn't know what we wanted after we got promoted.

If the club really are backing Ross and this story about an Assistant has now popped up they need to post up some news pretty sharpish about why we need an assistant or why we don't need an assistant. The guy either needs help or doesn't.

Embleton himself not wanting it either for quite some time and having to be ‘persuaded’ to take the job didn’t help matters either though.

Shouldn’t have been an option. He should’ve wanted it or not, not be persuaded into the position ( in my opinion that is)

All valid points. And who was it who was so determined to persuade Embleton into the role?

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

It would be difficult to get an experienced ass. manager in the building
The unlucky man would have to kowtow to Ling, because its probably been noticed, anyone who dares to have a different opinion from Ling, is out on their arse
Remember Fletcher & Webb, for example?

Fully agree with you.

I'm now off to disagree about everything with my boss and plan to not execute the business strategy and direction that she has put in place. Sure that will be ok and I won't face any consequences for doing so.

[BiggsyMalone]

similar to the civil service years ago , recruit as many people as possible and then the blame can be deflected from the hierarchy and decision makers.

Ling is an absolute disaster of a DoF

Interesting. What professional football qualifications do you have to make that statement?

Do you want me to go through your posts and ask what qualifications you have for every opinion you've written?

[DuvB]

Ling is an absolute disaster of a DoF

Interesting. What professional football qualifications do you have to make that statement?

Do you want me to go through your posts and ask what qualifications you have for every opinion you've written?

Well I certainly don’t make sweeping statements like you did above.

[BiggsyMalone]

Interesting. What professional football qualifications do you have to make that statement?

Do you want me to go through your posts and ask what qualifications you have for every opinion you've written?

Well I certainly don’t make sweeping statements like you did above.

Nothing sweeping about it. He has about 3 good decisions to his name in that position.

[KC & sunshine band]

would not surprise me if it was Ross's dad Steve

[Thor]

Interesting jump from 'you're not a mind reader you don't know what happened with Webb!' to steadfastly being certain the club didn't try to rectify the situation with Fletcher.

I'm sure ling said as much in the q and a.

[Sid Bishop]

Interesting jump from 'you're not a mind reader you don't know what happened with Webb!' to steadfastly being certain the club didn't try to rectify the situation with Fletcher.

Well it's not my view they did not try it's the bloody obvious do we have to spell it out to u again

Ling in his own words clear said he executed an investigation after being aware by others including his son talking the mother of the Ling junior.

Ling made it clear he was Sherlock Holmes of the football world and there was not one word by anyone to demonstrate that fletcher was given any opportunity to discuss and resolve whatever the issue

Fletcher in the Bournmouth paper article and a later interview implied and stated he was suprised and did not see it coming

What the f point of having any DOF not using a fair employment process of a basic two way conversation

What infuriates me is Lofc bang on about how wonderful the fans are how they are indebted to the fans but do not demonstrate any credibility on a major decision that has had a major cost of both time and money to Lofc determent

Ling may of been a great or good footballer a fantastic father and husband a decent guy about how to set up a football club but he appears to of treated fletcher a higher grade player with contempt

If Ling was so specific and accurate about fletchers alleged shortfalls why did he have to be so verbally poor in the QA interview and degrade the guy by laughing - why did he not show more dignity himself and use that as a means to demonstrate decent anylitical thoughts backed up by reasonable evidence - it's a disgrace

What coaching does Ling know that fletch cannot know they both done I presume all the coaches courses there are

And more to the point how can he describe Ross as brilliant when Ross has limited historical expierence as a first team coaching and was not even a footballer which must have some impact in his match day decisions opposed a an ex player making those same management decisions

Some good points made especially....

''If Ling was so specific and accurate about fletchers alleged shortfalls why did he have to be so verbally poor in the QA interview and degrade the guy by laughing - why did he not show more dignity himself and use that as a means to demonstrate decent anylitical thoughts backed up by reasonable evidence''
also
''And more to the point how can he describe Ross as brilliant when Ross has limited historical expierence as a first team coaching and was not even a footballer which must have some impact in his match day decisions opposed a an ex player making those same management decisions''

[DuvB]

Given that Andy Gilson raised the issue of an assistant manager on Phoenix FM and even he cannot state where the idea of the role came from, this is a pointless string. Perhaps they were just filling time?

But given we have nothing else to debate and argue over, perhaps is it useful.

Mr Gilson has now updated his position in that it was Mr Tongue who asked whether they were going to talk about the Assistant Manager position. Confused? I am.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

You couldn’t make it up. Ling went out in every possible medium shouting down anyone who dare question his decision about Fletcher, dismissing experienced managers with something along the lines of ‘we don’t want managers who have been sacked 12 times’.

He then refuses to back the guy who HE put in charge, even though by the sounds of it he wanted to clear out the deadwood and throws him under a bus by sacking him and by Fletchers own account, making him wary of ever managing again.

And then laughs at the guy in a Q&A and gets aggressive when anyone dared question the appointment and sacking.

And people still defend him in the fletcher thing.

[HeyO]

You couldn’t make it up. Ling went out in every possible medium shouting down anyone who dare question his decision about Fletcher, dismissing experienced managers with something along the lines of ‘we don’t want managers who have been sacked 12 times’.

He then refuses to back the guy who HE put in charge, even though by the sounds of it he wanted to clear out the deadwood and throws him under a bus by sacking him and by Fletchers own account, making him wary of ever managing again.

And then laughs at the guy in a Q&A and gets aggressive when anyone dared question the appointment and sacking.

And people still defend him in the fletcher thing.

All very worrying.

[NuneatonO's]

Like many other supporters, I really liked Lingy as both a player and as a manager.

Who can seriously forget Oxford?

As for his appointment as Director of Football, let's be honest here. Who really knows what he has delivered; or will subsequently bring to the party over the coming months/years?

The fact that (I would guess) the majority of us actually know sod all what his actual contribution to the club is, speaks volumes in my opinion.

'Director of Football'..........seriously?

Let's be either honest with ourselves, or alternatively just give up. We're still a Two Bob London Club looking to get out of a Half a Crown Division. Shouldn't money be spent on decent players; rather than a bloke in a suit and a tie?