Sotiriou

[Top of the JES]

Simply totally unacceptable Ling hasn't forced Sotiriou to sign an extended contract. What the hell is the DoF doing to earn his wages.

Out of The clubs hands, If a player doesn't want to sign and had offers from elsewhere further up the pyramid. If goes to a medium sized League One club he's going to be earning probably two or three times what we can offer.

It's worked for us in the past.

[Thor]

He is still on the pay roll till the end of July. All contracts run to 30th of June however, when a contract expires the club is obliged to pay one further months salary if they have not yet found a club, thus I beleive he will still be on our payroll still......

[Top of the JES]

He is still on the pay roll till the end of July. All contracts run to 30th of June however, when a contract expires the club is obliged to pay one further months salary if they have not yet found a club, thus I beleive he will still be on our payroll still......

True, but still free to sign for anyone else in the meantime he is now not contractually tied in.

[Thor]

He is still on the pay roll till the end of July. All contracts run to 30th of June however, when a contract expires the club is obliged to pay one further months salary if they have not yet found a club, thus I beleive he will still be on our payroll still......

True, but still free to sign for anyone else in the meantime he is now not contractually tied in.

Correct.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Why not wait and see instead of crying about it now.

Club won't ever say, everything is "undisclosed" but the EPPP guidelines give you an idea what the compo fee is

EPPP guidelines only apply to academy players and in Sotirious case would have nothing to do with it. As long as we have made the offer of a further contract and because hr is already on a pro contract if two clubs cannot agree a fee it goes to the PFCC - Professional Fotball Compensation Committee made up of a member of the PFA, EFL, Premier League, and LMA under an independent chairman. This was the case for George Porter.

Burnley were ordered to pay £90k upfront £17.5 k after 15,30,45 and 60 games, £100k if Burnley were promoted within 3 seasons and Porter play half the games and (I think) 16.5% of any transfer profit. Sotiriou had obviously played fewer games but represented Cyprus at under 18 level. Would expect a reasonable return if it goes to arbitration.

Found the article:-

GEORGE PORTER

Porter had made 34 league appearances for Leyton Orient between the age of 18 and 20. He rejected a new two year contract offer, and instead signed a three year contract with the Championship club Burnley.
The PFCC decided that Burnley should pay Leyton Orient an initial compensation fee of £90,000.
Additionally, Burnley were to pay Leyton Orient a further £17,500 after the player has made 15, 30, 45 and 60 appearances (i.e. a total further potential payment of £70,000).
Burnley would also pay Leyton Orient a further sum of £100,000 if Burnley were promoted to the Premier League in the next three seasons and assuming the player remains at the club and had played at least 23 matches in the promotion season.
Leyton Orient should receive 16.5% of any profit made by Burnley in selling the player to another club at any point in the future.

£90k for Porter?

Should have let them do the negotiations for Koroma, Dalby, Alzate etc etc instead of us.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Simply totally unacceptable Ling hasn't forced Sotiriou to sign an extended contract. What the hell is the DoF doing to earn his wages.

Simple Man by name, simple man by nature.

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Only compo which is was what about £10-20k?

Why not wait and see instead of crying about it now.

Club won't ever say, everything is "undisclosed" but the EPPP guidelines give you an idea what the compo fee is

You do understand "everything is undisclosed" when we agree a sale/to buy a player because that's the rules, right?

Edit: this has been explained to you before, yet still for some reason you use it to make digs at the club for not saying.

[HeyO]

Simply totally unacceptable Ling hasn't forced Sotiriou to sign an extended contract. What the hell is the DoF doing to earn his wages.

Out of The clubs hands, If a player doesn't want to sign and had offers from elsewhere further up the pyramid. If goes to a medium sized League One club he's going to be earning probably two or three times what we can offer.

It's worked for us in the past.

Beg to differ.

[Top of the JES]

Simply totally unacceptable Ling hasn't forced Sotiriou to sign an extended contract. What the hell is the DoF doing to earn his wages.

Out of The clubs hands, If a player doesn't want to sign and had offers from elsewhere further up the pyramid. If goes to a medium sized League One club he's going to be earning probably two or three times what we can offer.

It's worked for us in the past.

Beg to differ.

Go on then.......

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Of course, it's true that if a player gets an offer for more money, or to play at a higher level, it's out of the club's hands.

But that's a bit one dimensional.

It's the same as any job. If you're happy where you are, and are treated right then you might not want to move. That's possibly even more true of footballers who usually have to uproot themselves and their family, move across the country, find new schools for their kids, sell their house, etc... Orient have an advantage over every single other league club with our own players because they are our players. We can engage them whenever we want in the season (and not a month before their contract runs out), we can probably get a bit of a discount compared with spending on the open market and we can make a good players life better by treating them well, playing them, promising this and that going forward.

Of course, some players will leave regardless. But if i'm at a company who's giving me decent pay rises, giving me good development opportunities, talking to me around the time i might naturally be looking to move elsewhere for a promotion or a pay rise and understanding my motives and giving me reason to stay, i'm much less likely to be looking elsewhere.

Sorry to be all prez biz but it's simply not true that it's completely out of the club's hands. We have proved to be reactionary when it comes to certain players, rather than pro-active (unless, of course, you are over 30 or mates/family with the boss).

[Smendrick Feaselberg]

Of course, it's true that if a player gets an offer for more money, or to play at a higher level, it's out of the club's hands.

But that's a bit one dimensional.

It's the same as any job. If you're happy where you are, and are treated right then you might not want to move. That's possibly even more true of footballers who usually have to uproot themselves and their family, move across the country, find new schools for their kids, sell their house, etc... Orient have an advantage over every single other league club with our own players because they are our players. We can engage them whenever we want in the season (and not a month before their contract runs out), we can probably get a bit of a discount compared with spending on the open market and we can make a good players life better by treating them well, playing them, promising this and that going forward.

Of course, some players will leave regardless. But if i'm at a company who's giving me decent pay rises, giving me good development opportunities, talking to me around the time i might naturally be looking to move elsewhere for a promotion or a pay rise and understanding my motives and giving me reason to stay, i'm much less likely to be looking elsewhere.

Sorry to be all prez biz but it's simply not true that it's completely out of the club's hands. We have proved to be reactionary when it comes to certain players, rather than pro-active (unless, of course, you are over 30 or mates/family with the boss).

I'll definitely be asking how this happened (particularly in light of other contract extensions) and how we've let a promising player go when a senior member of club staff is next on a podcast.

But the description of a company above doesn't seem relevant to the same situation in football, particularly when wage structures are more defined in different industries (in terms of salary brackets) than they are in football. And we don't know what Sotiriou's camp are asking for or whether they even wanted to seriously negotiate given he is a restricted free agent. While you're right that it's not entirely out of the club's hands, Sotiriou is the one holding all the aces and his agent has probably been hawking him around etc etc.

[DuvB]

Sotiriou has potential, that is all. He is not a proven player at L2 level let alone L1.

I wouldn't bust our wage structure to retain him.

[Top of the JES]

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[Millennial Snowflake]

Why would/should they announce that he is a free agent?

Why would/should they announce who were getting released?

Because he hasn’t been released...

[Top of the JES]

Of course, it's true that if a player gets an offer for more money, or to play at a higher level, it's out of the club's hands.

But that's a bit one dimensional.

It's the same as any job. If you're happy where you are, and are treated right then you might not want to move. That's possibly even more true of footballers who usually have to uproot themselves and their family, move across the country, find new schools for their kids, sell their house, etc... Orient have an advantage over every single other league club with our own players because they are our players. We can engage them whenever we want in the season (and not a month before their contract runs out), we can probably get a bit of a discount compared with spending on the open market and we can make a good players life better by treating them well, playing them, promising this and that going forward.

Of course, some players will leave regardless. But if i'm at a company who's giving me decent pay rises, giving me good development opportunities, talking to me around the time i might naturally be looking to move elsewhere for a promotion or a pay rise and understanding my motives and giving me reason to stay, i'm much less likely to be looking elsewhere.

Sorry to be all prez biz but it's simply not true that it's completely out of the club's hands. We have proved to be reactionary when it comes to certain players, rather than pro-active (unless, of course, you are over 30 or mates/family with the boss).

Orient have been talking to Ruel and Marvin for months, it would be nice to think that just being happy at a club is enough but for young men with limited careers it means f all these days

Footballers and their agents are pretty much are one dimensional. Money is king and players would rather sit in someone’s reserve team earning more money than playing at a slightly lower level. Most agents would rather recommend their clients move rather than re-sign for a club because that’s where they can make bigger money.

Bosman completely changed the dynamic all the power is with the player and agent, they can run down a contract while talking to other clubs. Not great when you have talent like Ruel but as I said elsewhere we have played the
System in our favour too.

[Thor]

I think Marv made up his mind to level when he was in court as I don't recall anything substantial being put out in his defence. Maybe that upset him?

[Millennial Snowflake]

Of course, it's true that if a player gets an offer for more money, or to play at a higher level, it's out of the club's hands.

But that's a bit one dimensional.

It's the same as any job. If you're happy where you are, and are treated right then you might not want to move. That's possibly even more true of footballers who usually have to uproot themselves and their family, move across the country, find new schools for their kids, sell their house, etc... Orient have an advantage over every single other league club with our own players because they are our players. We can engage them whenever we want in the season (and not a month before their contract runs out), we can probably get a bit of a discount compared with spending on the open market and we can make a good players life better by treating them well, playing them, promising this and that going forward.

Of course, some players will leave regardless. But if i'm at a company who's giving me decent pay rises, giving me good development opportunities, talking to me around the time i might naturally be looking to move elsewhere for a promotion or a pay rise and understanding my motives and giving me reason to stay, i'm much less likely to be looking elsewhere.

Sorry to be all prez biz but it's simply not true that it's completely out of the club's hands. We have proved to be reactionary when it comes to certain players, rather than pro-active (unless, of course, you are over 30 or mates/family with the boss).

Sotiriou is 20 and I don’t think he has kids, family or a mortgage to worry about

Agree that the club could have played this slightly better though

[Dohnut]

Simply totally unacceptable Ling hasn't forced Sotiriou to sign an extended contract. What the hell is the DoF doing to earn his wages.

Simple Man by name, simple man by nature.

Ling is in no position to force Sortiriou to sign anything. Why can’t people understand that fact. It’s not in Lings control. All he can do is make offers and promises. Beyond that he is powerless. I have no doubt the club is doing or have done all they can should they want him to stay. But ultimately there is nothing they can do to stop him leaving.

[Dohnut]

Of course, it's true that if a player gets an offer for more money, or to play at a higher level, it's out of the club's hands.

But that's a bit one dimensional.

It's the same as any job. If you're happy where you are, and are treated right then you might not want to move. That's possibly even more true of footballers who usually have to uproot themselves and their family, move across the country, find new schools for their kids, sell their house, etc... Orient have an advantage over every single other league club with our own players because they are our players. We can engage them whenever we want in the season (and not a month before their contract runs out), we can probably get a bit of a discount compared with spending on the open market and we can make a good players life better by treating them well, playing them, promising this and that going forward.

Of course, some players will leave regardless. But if i'm at a company who's giving me decent pay rises, giving me good development opportunities, talking to me around the time i might naturally be looking to move elsewhere for a promotion or a pay rise and understanding my motives and giving me reason to stay, i'm much less likely to be looking elsewhere.

Sorry to be all prez biz but it's simply not true that it's completely out of the club's hands. We have proved to be reactionary when it comes to certain players, rather than pro-active (unless, of course, you are over 30 or mates/family with the boss).

The club can do all that and more. Who can say they have not done so. But they cannot force a player to stay. Other clubs too can offer all that stuff and more. Maybe much more than we are able too. Not in our control at all. If he goes it’s no indication that Ling has done anything wrong. That’s life, people change employers.

[Orient Punxx]

He is still on the pay roll till the end of July. All contracts run to 30th of June however, when a contract expires the club is obliged to pay one further months salary if they have not yet found a club, thus I beleive he will still be on our payroll still......

Not too sure what the fuss is about.

Would imagine that RS has communicated to the club that he will commit one way or the other at the end of the month.

Given what’s going on in the World and the fact that there is no start date for next season - this would not be unreasonable and indeed how I would encourage him to play it, even if I was RE or ML.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Of course, it's true that if a player gets an offer for more money, or to play at a higher level, it's out of the club's hands.

But that's a bit one dimensional.

It's the same as any job. If you're happy where you are, and are treated right then you might not want to move. That's possibly even more true of footballers who usually have to uproot themselves and their family, move across the country, find new schools for their kids, sell their house, etc... Orient have an advantage over every single other league club with our own players because they are our players. We can engage them whenever we want in the season (and not a month before their contract runs out), we can probably get a bit of a discount compared with spending on the open market and we can make a good players life better by treating them well, playing them, promising this and that going forward.

Of course, some players will leave regardless. But if i'm at a company who's giving me decent pay rises, giving me good development opportunities, talking to me around the time i might naturally be looking to move elsewhere for a promotion or a pay rise and understanding my motives and giving me reason to stay, i'm much less likely to be looking elsewhere.

Sorry to be all prez biz but it's simply not true that it's completely out of the club's hands. We have proved to be reactionary when it comes to certain players, rather than pro-active (unless, of course, you are over 30 or mates/family with the boss).

The club can do all that and more. Who can say they have not done so. But they cannot force a player to stay. Other clubs too can offer all that stuff and more. Maybe much more than we are able too. Not in our control at all. If he goes it’s no indication that Ling has done anything wrong. That’s life, people change employers.

Someone said that it was completely out of the clubs hands, which is simply untrue.

[moonwalk19]

Simply totally unacceptable Ling hasn't forced Sotiriou to sign an extended contract. What the hell is the DoF doing to earn his wages.

You cannot force anyone out of contract to sign a new contract. His agent is probably working hard to get a contract with a higher league club . You cannot blame Ling for that.

[Dohnut]

Of course, it's true that if a player gets an offer for more money, or to play at a higher level, it's out of the club's hands.

But that's a bit one dimensional.

It's the same as any job. If you're happy where you are, and are treated right then you might not want to move. That's possibly even more true of footballers who usually have to uproot themselves and their family, move across the country, find new schools for their kids, sell their house, etc... Orient have an advantage over every single other league club with our own players because they are our players. We can engage them whenever we want in the season (and not a month before their contract runs out), we can probably get a bit of a discount compared with spending on the open market and we can make a good players life better by treating them well, playing them, promising this and that going forward.

Of course, some players will leave regardless. But if i'm at a company who's giving me decent pay rises, giving me good development opportunities, talking to me around the time i might naturally be looking to move elsewhere for a promotion or a pay rise and understanding my motives and giving me reason to stay, i'm much less likely to be looking elsewhere.

Sorry to be all prez biz but it's simply not true that it's completely out of the club's hands. We have proved to be reactionary when it comes to certain players, rather than pro-active (unless, of course, you are over 30 or mates/family with the boss).

The club can do all that and more. Who can say they have not done so. But they cannot force a player to stay. Other clubs too can offer all that stuff and more. Maybe much more than we are able too. Not in our control at all. If he goes it’s no indication that Ling has done anything wrong. That’s life, people change employers.

Someone said that it was completely out of the clubs hands, which is simply untrue.

It is true though. The club can make offers, promises etc. But the decision is 100% with the player.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

The club can do all that and more. Who can say they have not done so. But they cannot force a player to stay. Other clubs too can offer all that stuff and more. Maybe much more than we are able too. Not in our control at all. If he goes it’s no indication that Ling has done anything wrong. That’s life, people change employers.

Someone said that it was completely out of the clubs hands, which is simply untrue.

It is true though. The club can make offers, promises etc. But the decision is 100% with the player.

The process is two way. the club have a part to play. Yes, the player gets the final decision but if you're saying there's nothing the club can do to potentially influence or affect that decision, you're wrong.

[Dohnut]

Someone said that it was completely out of the clubs hands, which is simply untrue.

It is true though. The club can make offers, promises etc. But the decision is 100% with the player.

The process is two way. the club have a part to play. Yes, the player gets the final decision but if you're saying there's nothing the club can do to potentially influence or affect that decision, you're wrong.

I’ve never ever said the club cannot try hard to keep him. Of course they can. Money, game time, coaching, new car, new house, luncheon vouchers. We all know that. But if offers are made the decision is 100% his. That will be based on the opportunities offered elsewhere Too, who may well be offering all this and much more. And if he chooses to go there is nothing the club can do about it.