Tory Watch

[Mikero]

"The Labour Party is currently not a good role model for people coming together and working together."

No political party can be a model for this as they are so factionalised. Anyone joining a party with a sense of hope very soon finds that their vision has to be squeezed into ever narrower spaces within the party. Being a 'Broad-Church' means there is a long way between the left and the right, but it is almost impossible to hold a broad view.

Mikero

[PoliticOs]

Ok. So you agree that the Tories basically dealt with disunity by removing anyone with any sense of independent thought. Does that represent leadership for you?

Given the Tories handling of Covid 19 are you still content that Boris was the best of a bad bunch?

Oh and by the way, I’m no slavering Corbynite. I’m a left winger for sure but can quite easily recognise the sainted JC’s failings.

Political parties remove people, businesses remove people. Even football teams move people on who just don’t fit (Fletcher). It happens, to be replaced by young men who have changed direction to fit the new role (Ross).

Personally I don’t believe Corbyn/Abbott etc would have handled the Pandemic any better. A YouGov poll, for what it’s worth, from fading memory suggest 57% thought he would handle it worse. But that is not proof, just perception and could be wrong. Don’t know and don’t care tbh. Nor do I believe our preparedness would have been better.

Though I can say with all honesty I would have cut Corbyn the same slack (any PM) as I afford Johnson solely on the basis of the size and complexity of the issue. Especially as I look around the world at others. A shitefest. There will be time for a reckoning and a chance for Starmer to show his worth. Now that I will find very interesting.

I think (one of) the points you've missed here though Dohnut is that does good leadership not need the confidence to have those that disagree with you around you? Corbyn at least did that in his shadow cabinets. The Tories have been culling those that think for themselves for a long time.

Is that leadership? Should groupthink really be a preferred way forward? (Another issue with people being desperate for centrism).

[Currywurst and Chips]

Ok. So you agree that the Tories basically dealt with disunity by removing anyone with any sense of independent thought. Does that represent leadership for you?

Given the Tories handling of Covid 19 are you still content that Boris was the best of a bad bunch?

Oh and by the way, I’m no slavering Corbynite. I’m a left winger for sure but can quite easily recognise the sainted JC’s failings.

Political parties remove people, businesses remove people. Even football teams move people on who just don’t fit (Fletcher). It happens, to be replaced by young men who have changed direction to fit the new role (Ross).

Personally I don’t believe Corbyn/Abbott etc would have handled the Pandemic any better. A YouGov poll, for what it’s worth, from fading memory suggest 57% thought he would handle it worse. But that is not proof, just perception and could be wrong. Don’t know and don’t care tbh. Nor do I believe our preparedness would have been better.

Though I can say with all honesty I would have cut Corbyn the same slack (any PM) as I afford Johnson solely on the basis of the size and complexity of the issue. Especially as I look around the world at others. A shitefest. There will be time for a reckoning and a chance for Starmer to show his worth. Now that I will find very interesting.

I think (one of) the points you've missed here though Dohnut is that does good leadership not need the confidence to have those that disagree with you around you? Corbyn at least did that in his shadow cabinets. The Tories have been culling those that think for themselves for a long time.

Is that leadership? Should groupthink really be a preferred way forward? (Another issue with people being desperate for centrism).

Do believe you've just described Cabinet Collective Responsibility there old boy

Part of the reason JC had people that disagreed with him in his shadow cabinet was, even after he's promoted all his mates (which led to people like Burgon getting jobs beyond their abilities) there still would have been unfilled positions due to his unpopularity with the PLP

[Dohnut]

Ok. So you agree that the Tories basically dealt with disunity by removing anyone with any sense of independent thought. Does that represent leadership for you?

Given the Tories handling of Covid 19 are you still content that Boris was the best of a bad bunch?

Oh and by the way, I’m no slavering Corbynite. I’m a left winger for sure but can quite easily recognise the sainted JC’s failings.

Political parties remove people, businesses remove people. Even football teams move people on who just don’t fit (Fletcher). It happens, to be replaced by young men who have changed direction to fit the new role (Ross).

Personally I don’t believe Corbyn/Abbott etc would have handled the Pandemic any better. A YouGov poll, for what it’s worth, from fading memory suggest 57% thought he would handle it worse. But that is not proof, just perception and could be wrong. Don’t know and don’t care tbh. Nor do I believe our preparedness would have been better.

Though I can say with all honesty I would have cut Corbyn the same slack (any PM) as I afford Johnson solely on the basis of the size and complexity of the issue. Especially as I look around the world at others. A shitefest. There will be time for a reckoning and a chance for Starmer to show his worth. Now that I will find very interesting.

I think (one of) the points you've missed here though Dohnut is that does good leadership not need the confidence to have those that disagree with you around you? Corbyn at least did that in his shadow cabinets. The Tories have been culling those that think for themselves for a long time.

Is that leadership? Should groupthink really be a preferred way forward? (Another issue with people being desperate for centrism).

Good leadership is definitely being prepared to accept differing views, quite healthy in fact. For me there is one major issue having been on a Board for 20 years. Our meetings were very, let’s say energetic at times. Views differed significantly and people not shy at voicing there opinions, forcibly. All done in the spirit of finding the best solutions so no animosity. Healthy.

However decisions needed to be taken and were. The collective majority.

It was vital thereafter that the Board supported the collective decision, even though it may not reflect a personal choice. If anybody felt support was absolutely impossible then resignation is the honourable approach, or at least no opposition.

What was not accepted and not tolerated were post agreement dissent comments by senior people that undermined the collective decision. That is destructive. People who do that need to be removed.

[PoliticOs]

Political parties remove people, businesses remove people. Even football teams move people on who just don’t fit (Fletcher). It happens, to be replaced by young men who have changed direction to fit the new role (Ross).

Personally I don’t believe Corbyn/Abbott etc would have handled the Pandemic any better. A YouGov poll, for what it’s worth, from fading memory suggest 57% thought he would handle it worse. But that is not proof, just perception and could be wrong. Don’t know and don’t care tbh. Nor do I believe our preparedness would have been better.

Though I can say with all honesty I would have cut Corbyn the same slack (any PM) as I afford Johnson solely on the basis of the size and complexity of the issue. Especially as I look around the world at others. A shitefest. There will be time for a reckoning and a chance for Starmer to show his worth. Now that I will find very interesting.

I think (one of) the points you've missed here though Dohnut is that does good leadership not need the confidence to have those that disagree with you around you? Corbyn at least did that in his shadow cabinets. The Tories have been culling those that think for themselves for a long time.

Is that leadership? Should groupthink really be a preferred way forward? (Another issue with people being desperate for centrism).

Do believe you've just described Cabinet Collective Responsibility there old boy

Part of the reason JC had people that disagreed with him in his shadow cabinet was, even after he's promoted all his mates (which led to people like Burgon getting jobs beyond their abilities) there still would have been unfilled positions due to his unpopularity with the PLP

And how do those cabinet positions come around?

Has he orchestrated a robust and broad culture of wide ranging opinions? Nah. Most don't from both sides, but these lot have been particularly bad at it.

[Currywurst and Chips]

I think (one of) the points you've missed here though Dohnut is that does good leadership not need the confidence to have those that disagree with you around you? Corbyn at least did that in his shadow cabinets. The Tories have been culling those that think for themselves for a long time.

Is that leadership? Should groupthink really be a preferred way forward? (Another issue with people being desperate for centrism).

Do believe you've just described Cabinet Collective Responsibility there old boy

Part of the reason JC had people that disagreed with him in his shadow cabinet was, even after he's promoted all his mates (which led to people like Burgon getting jobs beyond their abilities) there still would have been unfilled positions due to his unpopularity with the PLP

And how do those cabinet positions come around?

Has he orchestrated a robust and broad culture of wide ranging opinions? Nah. Most don't from both sides, but these lot have been particularly bad at it.

We live under a parliamentary system where the convention is Cabinet Collective Responsibility therefore it makes sense not to bud.

HTH

[PoliticOs]

You don't even disagree with me. Stop wasting the internet.

[Currywurst and Chips]

You don't even disagree with me. Stop wasting the internet.

So you keep saying

Am enjoying this alias though so will leave it there. Keep up the (generally) good work.

[Thor]

So is PO max?

[Currywurst and Chips]

So is PO max?

Him and Conkles haven't been posting much since the alias started

[tuffers#1]

[tuffers#1]

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

So is PO max?

Him and Conkles haven't been posting much since the alias started

It’s Max.

[NuneatonO's]

Rees-Mogg loses vote to let MPs debate bullying claims

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ing-claims

I bet Nanny will have a nightmare tonight getting him bathed and put to bed.

[NuneatonO's]

Boris the narcissists’ narcissist flails wildly as PMQs exposes cracks

The PM can dump wives, mistresses, ministers and friends but he just can’t get rid of Keir Starmer!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ses-cracks

Boris Johnson's PMQs is like a Columbo episode and Keir Starmer has just one more question:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... o-22245828

Johnson today was an utter joke; expertly dissected by Starmer QC.

If only there was a freezer in the House of Commons - the Etonian Spaffer would have been hiding inside of it, alongside the fish fingers.

Johnson the was clearly on the ropes, he even pulled a silly face (or two)........so no change there then!

[Disoriented]

The fish fingers? Is that a euphemism for the cabinet?

[Dohnut]

The fish fingers? Is that a euphemism for the cabinet?

No. Spitting images called it right, the Cabinet are the vegetables. The Fish fingers are Boris Johnson’s abacus. Trouble is he eats them much too often.

[Clive Evans]

For a long time now, I feel the best metaphor for this Government, is saying that Year 7 have been put in charge of the school.

[tuffers#1]

Boris the narcissists’ narcissist flails wildly as PMQs exposes cracks

The PM can dump wives, mistresses, ministers and friends but he just can’t get rid of Keir Starmer!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ses-cracks

Boris Johnson's PMQs is like a Columbo episode and Keir Starmer has just one more question:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ ... o-22245828

Johnson today was an utter joke; expertly dissected by Starmer QC.

If only there was a freezer in the House of Commons - the Etonian Spaffer would have been hiding inside of it, alongside the fish fingers.

Johnson the was clearly on the ropes, he even pulled a silly face (or two)........so no change there then!

[tuffers#1]

[Mikero]

Translates as "What you have to listen to as the British Prime Minister is that the Germans do better when it comes to the #CoronaWarnApp. Sorry, Mr. Johnson."

Mikero

[Admin]

Fine PR work from Nadim Zahawi this morning on Radio 4. Although I suspect this could well be some more Trumpian style distraction going on "don't look at the dodgy minister there, come and laugh at the imbecile over here"

Either that or he is just thick as mince.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ssion=true

[HeyO]

Fine PR work from Nadim Zahawi this morning on Radio 4. Although I suspect this could well be some more Trumpian style distraction going on "don't look at the dodgy minister there, come and laugh at the imbecile over here"

Either that or he is just thick as mince.

Pork or beef?

[tuffers#1]

Fine PR work from Nadim Zahawi this morning on Radio 4. Although I suspect this could well be some more Trumpian style distraction going on "don't look at the dodgy minister there, come and laugh at the imbecile over here"

Either that or he is just thick as mince.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ssion=true

There is footage on twitter
Ill have to try & find it

[Dunners]

Fine PR work from Nadim Zahawi this morning on Radio 4. Although I suspect this could well be some more Trumpian style distraction going on "don't look at the dodgy minister there, come and laugh at the imbecile over here"

Either that or he is just thick as mince.

Pork or beef?

Turkey.