UpminsterO wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:27 pm
NuneatonO's wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 11:49 am
faldO wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 10:41 am
Find me a government from anywhere in the world that has not said they will review what they are doing and change it if necessary. The virus is going to need monitoring for years (unless someone figures out a way to eradicate it), and measures put in place to deal with it as required.
It's not a choice of one or the other, the two are intertwined. The idea that you keep putting forward - that Tories don't care about human life - is ridiculous.
It really wouldn't be too difficult to find a Government anywhere in this World who has handled this Pandemic BETTER than the Tory Party.
Look no further than Australia and New Zealand. Like many others, they have reviewed and changed their rules accordingly BECAUSE they have controlled Coronavirus since the outset. We haven't.
We have the greatest number of deaths (per capita) on this planet. It isn't just 'bad luck'..........it is due to Tory Government mishandling. For example, putting untested patients from hospitals straight into care homes. Can't you honestly see that? Are you so blinkered?
This Tory Government has blood on its' hands.
I am truly of the belief that Tories DON'T overly care about human life; in comparison to keeping money ticking over.
Coronavirus aside, have you never read the horror stories relating to Universal Credit?
Have you never considered what austerity cuts have done to Social Care?
I could go on.
Anyway, any chance of you answering my point about Unions?
On Australia I live here and yes they have achieved more success than most - they make decisions quicker they look at how other countries manage it review their own position and follow advice given by the medical and scientific groups both internationally and within Australia.
They did let the people of the ship in sydney and that caused some consequential contamination in the community and deaths - that's being investigated
However my family and friends live in England and I worry what I see
This is more than red versus blue in the uk
The U.K. made many many mistakes and it's down to the ineffiency of this government on strategy / decision making that been poor / communication of their message again poor and the intellect of Boris and team
U.K is a small country physically and has so many people living close to each other and with the transport of a great public system that people use in preference to cars for communicating
I was in Perth WA when it was kicking off. Listened every day to Scott Morrison and the endless debates that followed. I was generally impressed by Morrison, yet when I proffered that opinion to locals many looked at me like I had two heads. Plenty it seemed thought he was clueless. Such is politics.
One of WA early deaths was in Jundalup not far from where I was. And of course a cruise ship in Fremantle made local headlines.
One thing that struck me was just how adult debate was. A genuine acceptance that they didn’t know all the answers and an awareness of what other countries were doing, including listening to Boris. experts who had conflicting opinions on the best way to proceed were not ridiculed but treated with respect. Nobody had a clue, just differing opinions. And I grew to understand and like the Aussie sense of humour.
But Morrison rightly changed position by the day as knowledge grew. Gatherings of 100, then 50, the two I think. Crowds at sports continued, even Morrison himself attended large crowd game. Then it stopped, except for some games It didn’t, then that stopped. Debate raged over schools closure with 20% of parents finally taking their children out of still open schools. People not happy with the Morrison position so took matters into their own hands. My son felt his kids should go, his wife didn’t. Morrison went down the stay open route, other disagreed and ignored him. Some states closed schools for holidays early whilst others didn’t. My grandson didn’t know from one day to the next if his school planned to close. And of course great disagreement about closing state borders. Who would be allowed to cross etc. And flights east go west caused much debate given Sydney was a hot spot. Airports, Not much happening at Perth International to protect passengers and staff. Even air crews walking past hordes of people. And who can forget the shame of the Bondi beach saga that Morrison called a national disgrace.
Social distancing in Ocean Keys and Jundalup shopping centres, restaurants and other public places was completely haphazard. Some Food places did, some didn’t, some sort of did but not really, Trains were packed etc. Buses full of school kids, Our local shopping centre cafe spaced out tables to provide distance whilst McDonalds next door was packed solid. The local Chinese restaurant limited people whilst its take away area was packed solid.
Clear messages, well handled, Not where I was in WA. It was chaos. And who can forget the fights over toilet rolls, panic buying, no hand sanitizer, queues outside supermarkets as people feared a food shortage. Saw it all first hand. I’m sure the picture I’m drawing will be familiar
So to suggest Morrison offered any greater clarity of message or showed any greater Intellect than Johnson is nonsense. What impressed me was his honesty about just how difficult it was, they didn’t have all the answers and were learning by the day. The geography of Australia is the major reason why the pandemic was manageable and for that, with family there, I’m grateful for.
