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Since most plane flights have stopped and the con trails from the planes aren't around anymore. We have had nearly 7 weeks of wall to wall sunshine with hardly a cloud in the sky, couple of days of rain here in Essex, Gods chosen county, warm in the sun but cold in the shade, cold at nights because no cloud to keep heat in.
Takes me back to late 50's early 60's long warm summers, you could expect good holidays in Britain instead of having to jet to off to the sun.
Have I imagined this or has anyone else picked up on it
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Re: coincidence or not

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Nope. Was just thinking the same thing. Actually takes me back to school 30 years ago. Air is really crispy and fresh. It’s lovely. Wildlife everywhere. Don’t worry, our housing secretary yesterday telling us that house building pulled us out of recession before and will do so again. Expect huge infrastructure spending globally because when politicians run out of ideas-the majority of the time, all they have left is too build and build any old crap. The environment will be trashed in the next few years.
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Re: coincidence or not

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Or it could just be the fact that as we enter Spring in March; and move towards the Summer, the weather genereally gets better.
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Re: coincidence or not

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NuneatonO's wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 10:20 am Or it could just be the fact that as we enter Spring in March; and move towards the Summer, the weather genereally gets better.
True? but when did we last have nearly 7 weeks sunshine this early in the year.
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Re: coincidence or not

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point nine one eight wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 10:24 am
NuneatonO's wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 10:20 am Or it could just be the fact that as we enter Spring in March; and move towards the Summer, the weather genereally gets better.
True? but when did we last have nearly 7 weeks sunshine this early in the year.
According to the Met. Office stats I've just checked many, many years ago.

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RAF Typhoon jets swarming all over the place making a racket as usual where Iive and skies have been blue. Still freezing though. It's just weather.
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I think there is some human condition to remember summers of your youth being longer and warmer than today. I've been watching some of the Euro 96 re-runs when I was 9 and the mid-90s felt like a bit of an endless summer!
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Celtient wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 10:40 am RAF Typhoon jets swarming all over the place making a racket as usual where Iive and skies have been blue. Still freezing though. It's just weather.
Don't forget the Yanks we have to put up with here in deepest, darkest Suffolk as well - stealth fighter taking off at dawn each day to spook the Russkies, even though officially its not here.
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I have noticed that there are a lot of Sparrows around this spring.

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Loads of Robins and Blue tits in my garden. The cat somehow managed to knock over a bird box and there was a little baby in there, which i THINK was alive. Put it back up and a blue tit came and had a look straight away.

Also almost trampled on a baby blue tit down the high street the other day. Was tiny and I picked it up and put it out of the way.

Lots of tit action.
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Re: coincidence or not

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I dont know the in's and out's of the enviroment but if my memory serves me right i'm sure the four seasons were as nature intended through the sixties and into the seventies. Much more predictable than nowaday's when you could plan a summer holiday in the UK with much more confidence.
Another thing i remember through my childhood in the sixties is Fog, really thick Fog not what you get in recent times. I know diesel fumes, coal, heavy industries but boy was that Fog thick.
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EliotNes wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 11:59 am
Celtient wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 10:40 am RAF Typhoon jets swarming all over the place making a racket as usual where Iive and skies have been blue. Still freezing though. It's just weather.
Don't forget the Yanks we have to put up with here in deepest, darkest Suffolk as well - stealth fighter taking off at dawn each day to spook the Russkies, even though officially its not here.
Not very good at the "stealth" part if you know it takes off at the same time every day. No way the Russkies will suss that....
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AckneyAwks wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 12:21 pm I dont know the in's and out's of the enviroment but if my memory serves me right i'm sure the four seasons were as nature intended through the sixties and into the seventies. Much more predictable than nowaday's when you could plan a summer holiday in the UK with much more confidence.
Another thing i remember through my childhood in the sixties is Fog, really thick Fog not what you get in recent times. I know diesel fumes, coal, heavy industries but boy was that Fog thick.
I do remember the thick blanket of Smog in the early 1960's. It lasted for about four days and was so thick you literally could
not see your hand in front of your face. Killed thousands.
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Chicken Dhansak wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 7:06 pm
AckneyAwks wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 12:21 pm I dont know the in's and out's of the enviroment but if my memory serves me right i'm sure the four seasons were as nature intended through the sixties and into the seventies. Much more predictable than nowaday's when you could plan a summer holiday in the UK with much more confidence.
Another thing i remember through my childhood in the sixties is Fog, really thick Fog not what you get in recent times. I know diesel fumes, coal, heavy industries but boy was that Fog thick.
I do remember the thick blanket of Smog in the early 1960's. It lasted for about four days and was so thick you literally could
not see your hand in front of your face. Killed thousands.
Ahhh, the good old days!
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Chicken Dhansak wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 7:06 pm
AckneyAwks wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 12:21 pm I dont know the in's and out's of the enviroment but if my memory serves me right i'm sure the four seasons were as nature intended through the sixties and into the seventies. Much more predictable than nowaday's when you could plan a summer holiday in the UK with much more confidence.
Another thing i remember through my childhood in the sixties is Fog, really thick Fog not what you get in recent times. I know diesel fumes, coal, heavy industries but boy was that Fog thick.
I do remember the thick blanket of Smog in the early 1960's. It lasted for about four days and was so thick you literally could
not see your hand in front of your face. Killed thousands.
The real pea supper fog we got sent home early from school when they developed, also in London barrels of tar where put on street corners alight to try and clear the smog Lots of deaths from the fogs in those days
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point nine one eight wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 10:07 am Since most plane flights have stopped and the con trails from the planes aren't around anymore. We have had nearly 7 weeks of wall to wall sunshine with hardly a cloud in the sky, couple of days of rain here in Essex, Gods chosen county, warm in the sun but cold in the shade, cold at nights because no cloud to keep heat in.
Takes me back to late 50's early 60's long warm summers, you could expect good holidays in Britain instead of having to jet to off to the sun.
Have I imagined this or has anyone else picked up on it
You do realise that contrails are just water vapour, don’t you? Condensed water from hot exhaust from a turbine engine being expelled into air that’s at -57c at 36,000 feet, that’s just basic physics. That’s all it is, simple as that.
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Stowaway wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 8:59 pm
point nine one eight wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 10:07 am Since most plane flights have stopped and the con trails from the planes aren't around anymore. We have had nearly 7 weeks of wall to wall sunshine with hardly a cloud in the sky, couple of days of rain here in Essex, Gods chosen county, warm in the sun but cold in the shade, cold at nights because no cloud to keep heat in.
Takes me back to late 50's early 60's long warm summers, you could expect good holidays in Britain instead of having to jet to off to the sun.
Have I imagined this or has anyone else picked up on it
You do realise that contrails are just water vapour, don’t you? Condensed water from hot exhaust from a turbine engine being expelled into air that’s at -57c at 36,000 feet, that’s just basic physics. That’s all it is, simple as that.
Yep and it forms a cloud, clouds are made of water as well
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kokomO wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 7:33 pm
Chicken Dhansak wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 7:06 pm
AckneyAwks wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 12:21 pm I dont know the in's and out's of the enviroment but if my memory serves me right i'm sure the four seasons were as nature intended through the sixties and into the seventies. Much more predictable than nowaday's when you could plan a summer holiday in the UK with much more confidence.
Another thing i remember through my childhood in the sixties is Fog, really thick Fog not what you get in recent times. I know diesel fumes, coal, heavy industries but boy was that Fog thick.
I do remember the thick blanket of Smog in the early 1960's. It lasted for about four days and was so thick you literally could
not see your hand in front of your face. Killed thousands.
Ahhh, the good old days!
What about that bear baiting hey?
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point nine one eight wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 9:05 pm
Stowaway wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 8:59 pm
point nine one eight wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 10:07 am Since most plane flights have stopped and the con trails from the planes aren't around anymore. We have had nearly 7 weeks of wall to wall sunshine with hardly a cloud in the sky, couple of days of rain here in Essex, Gods chosen county, warm in the sun but cold in the shade, cold at nights because no cloud to keep heat in.
Takes me back to late 50's early 60's long warm summers, you could expect good holidays in Britain instead of having to jet to off to the sun.
Have I imagined this or has anyone else picked up on it
You do realise that contrails are just water vapour, don’t you? Condensed water from hot exhaust from a turbine engine being expelled into air that’s at -57c at 36,000 feet, that’s just basic physics. That’s all it is, simple as that.
Yep and it forms a cloud, clouds are made of water as well
Er, no it doesn’t. You don’t get clouds in the stratosphere. Have you not flown at 30,000 feet or more? It’s too cold for clouds to form - the clue is in the temperature in the stratosphere.

Knowing this kind of stuff was literally part of my job for years, I’m quite good at this.
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Stowaway wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 10:46 pm
point nine one eight wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 9:05 pm
Stowaway wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 8:59 pm

You do realise that contrails are just water vapour, don’t you? Condensed water from hot exhaust from a turbine engine being expelled into air that’s at -57c at 36,000 feet, that’s just basic physics. That’s all it is, simple as that.
Yep and it forms a cloud, clouds are made of water as well
Er, no it doesn’t. You don’t get clouds in the stratosphere. Have you not flown at 30,000 feet or more? It’s too cold for clouds to form - the clue is in the temperature in the stratosphere.

Knowing this kind of stuff was literally part of my job for years, I’m quite good at this.
The guy driving us said best not for me to pock my head out of the window as might be a bit cold, anyway no planes no contrails no clouds, normally you see loads of contrails in the sky, don't know how high they are but contrails are left behind, no planes no contrails
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Presumably the point is that planes are polluting. Don't you agree?
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Isn't the cloudless sky a bit more to do with the prevailing wind direction? which in turn is to do with the position of the jetsteam? A hundred miles or so one way or another and the weather is warm but moist and changeable, rather than cool and dry and steady.

Unless anyone's trying to say that the lack of commercial planes in the sky is having an immediate effect on the position of the jetstream? (cos I thought that was more affected by the sea temperature across the Atlantic)
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StillSpike wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 12:00 am Isn't the cloudless sky a bit more to do with the prevailing wind direction? which in turn is to do with the position of the jetsteam? A hundred miles or so one way or another and the weather is warm but moist and changeable, rather than cool and dry and steady.

Unless anyone's trying to say that the lack of commercial planes in the sky is having an immediate effect on the position of the jetstream? (cos I thought that was more affected by the sea temperature across the Atlantic)
Well it's nice to know there are numerous theories all make valid points, which? could be right, all or none, either way no planes no clouds
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I’ll repeat - you don’t get clouds in the stratosphere. Contrails are only formed at that altitude.

I think you’ll also find that clouds existed before the jet engine.
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point nine one eight wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 12:57 am
StillSpike wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 12:00 am Isn't the cloudless sky a bit more to do with the prevailing wind direction? which in turn is to do with the position of the jetsteam? A hundred miles or so one way or another and the weather is warm but moist and changeable, rather than cool and dry and steady.

Unless anyone's trying to say that the lack of commercial planes in the sky is having an immediate effect on the position of the jetstream? (cos I thought that was more affected by the sea temperature across the Atlantic)
Well it's nice to know there are numerous theories all make valid points, which? could be right, all or none, either way no planes no clouds
Not all theories make valid points. Unless you don't understand the meaning of the word valid.
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