Social Distancing

[EH16]

I dont think its the Tories who are opening stuff up, businesses are taking it upon themselves by the looks of it due to the lack of leadership from the govt.

Seems to me that Donald may be right, the cure cannot be worse than the disease!

Can you just give us a list of all the things you think are worse than being dead?

Answer please.

[gshaw]

The thing that will send people over the edge will be Government telling you to go back to work in a closed room with air con / take public transport to commute but that it's far too risky to have a haircut, play a sport or sit on a bench.

It's either lockdown or it's not

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

And that it’s ok to send kids back to school, have hundreds of youngsters closely confined and in direct contact with each other, but you can’t go to the beach.

[EH16]

I dont think its the Tories who are opening stuff up, businesses are taking it upon themselves by the looks of it due to the lack of leadership from the govt.

Seems to me that Donald may be right, the cure cannot be worse than the disease!

Can you just give us a list of all the things you think are worse than being dead?

Answer please.

Still waiting.....

[Clive Evans]

I had a cardiac arrest a year last August. I was gone for 10 minutes plus. Nothing to it. Mind you, when they brought me back to the land of the living, I didn't feel too great for quite a few months. I am trying to defer a similar experience for as long as possible.

[Long slender neck]

I dont think its the Tories who are opening stuff up, businesses are taking it upon themselves by the looks of it due to the lack of leadership from the govt.

Seems to me that Donald may be right, the cure cannot be worse than the disease!

Can you just give us a list of all the things you think are worse than being dead?

Answer please.

The 'cure' being lockdown, didn't realize this needed pointing out.

Economic ruin AND still lots of people being dead. Plenty of other things I could add to this, such as
People's health will suffer, mental and physical (more deaths short and long term)
Job losses
Economic ruin will mean poverty and all its effects for years
More austerity

[Rich Tea Wellin]

Loads of people out when i went for a run about 5pm. A few of the chippies in town open now as well.

The government aint got the balls to either keep us locked down or remove the lockdown officially so they can blame the people again. Wouldn't be surprised if they advised the likes of McDonalds to close down originally because the public would turn against them if they didnt (like Sports Direct) and then open within a few weeks when everyone will be more understanding. They spouted 'not being able to keep their staff safe' a month ago...whats changed?

[Dunners]

The streets around my way have been almost as busy as usual for over a week now. This is lockdown in name only, but with the economic damage.

[Long slender neck]

We need to switch to a voluntary lockdown.

[point nine one eight]

I had a cardiac arrest a year last August. I was gone for 10 minutes plus. Nothing to it. Mind you, when they brought me back to the land of the living, I didn't feel too great for quite a few months. I am trying to defer a similar experience for as long as possible.

Sorry to here that West Side, hope your recovery is going well

[E10EU]

Social distancing sounds so easy.
In real life it shows up a significant difference between the haves and the have-nots.

Living in a tower block flat with several children, no chance of even minimal play outside. Unlimited outside play and sunbathing if you have your own garden. Very high transmission in care homes for the elderly who depend on institutional care, high transmission in prisons where people are cooped up into small and shared spaces. Things not looking good in slum areas and refugee camps where people have to exist in very close proximity to others.

[o-no]

We need to switch to a voluntary lockdown.

A voluntary lockdown isn't a lockdown at all though is it.

I get from your previous comments that you're finding this a struggle (and it is) but this is far from over and many things are not going to be back to normal for a very long time, if at all. It's gloomy, but it's realistic. End of lockdown is not going to mean business as usual.

Yes, the economy will be in a state, but everyone's economy will be in a state. Remember, there's no pockets in a shroud.

What we do need to hear is a plan - that might make getting through this stage easier.

[o-no]

Social distancing sounds so easy.
In real life it shows up a significant difference between the haves and the have-nots.

Which have always been there. It's very tough on those in the situations you describe, but where there are "have's" there must be "have not's" - one defines the other.

[Rich Tea Wellin]

We need to switch to a voluntary lockdown.

A voluntary lockdown isn't a lockdown at all though is it.

I get from your previous comments that you're finding this a struggle (and it is) but this is far from over and many things are not going to be back to normal for a very long time, if at all. It's gloomy, but it's realistic. End of lockdown is not going to mean business as usual.

Yes, the economy will be in a state, but everyone's economy will be in a state. Remember, there's no pockets in a shroud.

What we do need to hear is a plan - that might make getting through this stage easier.

Good post and agree with your last point. It’s not easy but I think one of the main things people are struggling with is that there is no end date atm. It’s just endless. There obviously won’t be an end date that we know of now but some sort of plan, even if it changes in the future would help.
Shame the government is sh*t scared of committing to literally anything

[Disoriented]

Social distancing sounds so easy.
In real life it shows up a significant difference between the haves and the have-nots.

Which have always been there. It's very tough on those in the situations you describe, but where there are "have's" there must be "have not's" - one defines the other.

Fair point.

[Long slender neck]

We need to switch to a voluntary lockdown.

A voluntary lockdown isn't a lockdown at all though is it.

I get from your previous comments that you're finding this a struggle (and it is) but this is far from over and many things are not going to be back to normal for a very long time, if at all. It's gloomy, but it's realistic. End of lockdown is not going to mean business as usual.

Yes, the economy will be in a state, but everyone's economy will be in a state. Remember, there's no pockets in a shroud.

What we do need to hear is a plan - that might make getting through this stage easier.

Maybe it's unrealistic but it could only happen if the NHS could cope with the extra infections, it would be up to people to decide for themselves if they wanted to risk going out or not and I suspect too many would risk it. Perhaps they could do it by age, youngsters first.

[o-no]

Yes, something like that would seem reasonable. Maybe full time school students and undergraduates first, since that group appear relatively unaffected.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Social distancing sounds so easy.
In real life it shows up a significant difference between the haves and the have-nots.

Which have always been there. It's very tough on those in the situations you describe, but where there are "have's" there must be "have not's" - one defines the other.

No. We could all ‘have’. There’s enough to go round.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

We need to switch to a voluntary lockdown.

A voluntary lockdown isn't a lockdown at all though is it.

I get from your previous comments that you're finding this a struggle (and it is) but this is far from over and many things are not going to be back to normal for a very long time, if at all. It's gloomy, but it's realistic. End of lockdown is not going to mean business as usual.

Yes, the economy will be in a state, but everyone's economy will be in a state. Remember, there's no pockets in a shroud.

What we do need to hear is a plan - that might make getting through this stage easier.

No. Some people’s economy and pockets will be just fine.

[o-no]

Social distancing sounds so easy.
In real life it shows up a significant difference between the haves and the have-nots.

Which have always been there. It's very tough on those in the situations you describe, but where there are "have's" there must be "have not's" - one defines the other.

No. We could all ‘have’. There’s enough to go round.

No, we couldn't. A market economy will always have winners and losers.

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

Ah, good point. I forgot there was no other way of organising things.

[Dunners]

Of course there are. Just tell us which type of economy you propose and how you would go about enforcing it.

I know many people who grew up in command economies. Whenever the conversation drifts to the subject of western capitalism (usually three pints in so I'm not claiming it's at much of an intellectual level), while there is much to be critical of, not one of them would swap what they have now.

[EH16]

The streets around my way have been almost as busy as usual for over a week now. This is lockdown in name only, but with the economic damage.

Opposite here. Streets very quiet. Guess it depends on how many idiots live in a particular area.

[DonaldRocks]

Social distancing sounds so easy.
In real life it shows up a significant difference between the haves and the have-nots.

Living in a tower block flat with several children, no chance of even minimal play outside. Unlimited outside play and sunbathing if you have your own garden. Very high transmission in care homes for the elderly who depend on institutional care, high transmission in prisons where people are cooped up into small and shared spaces. Things not looking good in slum areas and refugee camps where people have to exist in very close proximity to others.

Great post. I'm lucky to have a garden and we all have been so lucky with the weather but I think I'm cracking up but I do feel for all the people who are not so fortunate and I really worry about all those people in refugee camps and prison camps like the "West Bank" and "Gaza Strip" and the Syrians, jez the world in general.

[Dunners]

The streets around my way have been almost as busy as usual for over a week now. This is lockdown in name only, but with the economic damage.

Opposite here. Streets very quiet. Guess it depends on how many idiots live in a particular area.

I reckon the proportion of idiots in the population is a constant. Therefore if you live in more densely populated areas you'll just have more idiots.