Tory Watch

[Chicken Dhansak]

Disoriented could well be right.

[Eat The Rich]

The willingness of working class Tory voters to throw themselves under the bus to protect the rich is really quite some sight to behold. They'll gladly watch their lives, their community and their country go to absolute sh*t in order not to appear above their station. Its nauseating.

[Currywurst and Chips]

Lol yeah and sneering at your base is a great way to win them back

[faldO]

The willingness of working class Tory voters to throw themselves under the bus to protect the rich is really quite some sight to behold. They'll gladly watch their lives, their community and their country go to absolute sh*t in order not to appear above their station. Its nauseating.

All idiots have their uses.

[o-no]

I think a lot of this comes down to the Civil Service. Not for one minute criticising them personally, they must be working all hours, but they have been left in a position where they obviously can't cope. Efficiency Savings, ie Cuts, have reduced there numbers over the last decade added to which many thousands have been sent of to play with Brexit, the Ministry of Health would had their share of these loses.

Logistics on a large scale take a lot of people to get it coordinated properly. This is not helped by politicians seemingly changing policy on a daily basis and suddenly realising that they should have done something last week.

Mikero

Got to agree with this.

As much as the lead from the government has been non-existent, it isn't ministers who organise the purchase orders and contracts, locate suppliers, chase deliveries and generally make sure all the little processes join together end-to-end to get stuff where it needs to be.

I suspect there are a lot of middle managers in the civil service who have been quietly counting the days until they can collect their gold plated pension and have never been faced with anything like this before. They've been found wanting big time.

[tuffers#1]

I think a lot of this comes down to the Civil Service. Not for one minute criticising them personally, they must be working all hours, but they have been left in a position where they obviously can't cope. Efficiency Savings, ie Cuts, have reduced there numbers over the last decade added to which many thousands have been sent of to play with Brexit, the Ministry of Health would had their share of these loses.

Logistics on a large scale take a lot of people to get it coordinated properly. This is not helped by politicians seemingly changing policy on a daily basis and suddenly realising that they should have done something last week.

Mikero

Got to agree with this.

As much as the lead from the government has been non-existent, it isn't ministers who organise the purchase orders and contracts, locate suppliers, chase deliveries and generally make sure all the little processes join together end-to-end to get stuff where it needs to be.

I suspect there are a lot of middle managers in the civil service who have been quietly counting the days until they can collect their gold plated pension and have never been faced with anything like this before. They've been found wanting big time.

The Civil service are just the soldiers of politics.
They can only be as good as the orders from on high.

You dont blame the soldiers for losing a War
You blame the Generals !

[Thor]

I think a lot of this comes down to the Civil Service. Not for one minute criticising them personally, they must be working all hours, but they have been left in a position where they obviously can't cope. Efficiency Savings, ie Cuts, have reduced there numbers over the last decade added to which many thousands have been sent of to play with Brexit, the Ministry of Health would had their share of these loses.

Logistics on a large scale take a lot of people to get it coordinated properly. This is not helped by politicians seemingly changing policy on a daily basis and suddenly realising that they should have done something last week.

Mikero

Got to agree with this.

As much as the lead from the government has been non-existent, it isn't ministers who organise the purchase orders and contracts, locate suppliers, chase deliveries and generally make sure all the little processes join together end-to-end to get stuff where it needs to be.

I suspect there are a lot of middle managers in the civil service who have been quietly counting the days until they can collect their gold plated pension and have never been faced with anything like this before. They've been found wanting big time.

Exactly what I posted a couple of weeks ago and got shot down by the doom mongers on here.

[Thor]

I think a lot of this comes down to the Civil Service. Not for one minute criticising them personally, they must be working all hours, but they have been left in a position where they obviously can't cope. Efficiency Savings, ie Cuts, have reduced there numbers over the last decade added to which many thousands have been sent of to play with Brexit, the Ministry of Health would had their share of these loses.

Logistics on a large scale take a lot of people to get it coordinated properly. This is not helped by politicians seemingly changing policy on a daily basis and suddenly realising that they should have done something last week.

Mikero

Got to agree with this.

As much as the lead from the government has been non-existent, it isn't ministers who organise the purchase orders and contracts, locate suppliers, chase deliveries and generally make sure all the little processes join together end-to-end to get stuff where it needs to be.

I suspect there are a lot of middle managers in the civil service who have been quietly counting the days until they can collect their gold plated pension and have never been faced with anything like this before. They've been found wanting big time.

The Civil service are just the soldiers of politics.
They can only be as good as the orders from on high.

You dont blame the soldiers for losing a War
You blame the Generals !

Clown. You think the government says right we will buy this, that and the other? Rubbish its down to the institutions themselves. They have been found wanting big time, but you left wingers just want to bash the government. Yes they have things they need to answer for, but buying is down to the buying teams not ministers.

[tuffers#1]

Got to agree with this.

As much as the lead from the government has been non-existent, it isn't ministers who organise the purchase orders and contracts, locate suppliers, chase deliveries and generally make sure all the little processes join together end-to-end to get stuff where it needs to be.

I suspect there are a lot of middle managers in the civil service who have been quietly counting the days until they can collect their gold plated pension and have never been faced with anything like this before. They've been found wanting big time.

The Civil service are just the soldiers of politics.
They can only be as good as the orders from on high.

You dont blame the soldiers for losing a War
You blame the Generals !

Clown. You think the government says right we will buy this, that and the other? Rubbish its down to the institutions themselves. They have been found wanting big time, but you left wingers just want to bash the government. Yes they have things they need to answer for, but buying is down to the buying teams not ministers.

Institutes are not civil servants .
They are not buying because the institutes dont want to.
They are not buying because the Right Wingers dont want to pay for them

The sooner CLOWNS like YOU realise this the better.

Typical party puppet on a string response from a conspiracy theorist who believes nothing is down to the story party.

[tuffers#1]

Her Majesty's Home Civil Service,[1][2][3] also known as Her Majesty's Civil Service or the Home Civil Service, is the permanent bureaucracy or secretariat of Crown employees that supports Her Majesty's Government, which is composed of a cabinetof ministers chosen by the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as well as two of the three devolved administrations: the Scottish Government and the Welsh Government, but not the Northern Ireland Executive.

As in other states that employ the Westminster political system, Her Majesty's Home Civil Service forms an inseparable part of the British government. The executive decisions of government ministers are implemented by HM Civil Service. Civil servants are employees of the Crown and not of the British parliament. Civil servants also have some traditional and statutoryresponsibilities which to some extent protect them from being used for the political advantage of the party in power. Senior civil servants may be called to account to Parliament.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_S ... d_Kingdom)

[Thor]

NHS buying teams across all the trusts are the ones buying the product, not civil servants.

[tuffers#1]

You bought civil servants & Institutions up thory.

Regardless of who is buying the buck stops
with the government !

[Disoriented]

Got to agree with this.

As much as the lead from the government has been non-existent, it isn't ministers who organise the purchase orders and contracts, locate suppliers, chase deliveries and generally make sure all the little processes join together end-to-end to get stuff where it needs to be.

I suspect there are a lot of middle managers in the civil service who have been quietly counting the days until they can collect their gold plated pension and have never been faced with anything like this before. They've been found wanting big time.

The Civil service are just the soldiers of politics.
They can only be as good as the orders from on high.

You dont blame the soldiers for losing a War
You blame the Generals !

Clown. You think the government says right we will buy this, that and the other? Rubbish its down to the institutions themselves. They have been found wanting big time, but you left wingers just want to bash the government. Yes they have things they need to answer for, but buying is down to the buying teams not ministers.

[Mick McQuaid]

NHS buying teams across all the trusts are the ones buying the product, not civil servants.

I know this will come as a shock to some, but Thory is completely wrong again. Well, I suppose not completely wrong as NHS trusts still pay, it's just that they get no say on what is coming to them.

https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/polic ... 1-04-2020/

[slacker]

Now I know a couple on here love a conspiracy theory, and everyone else a bit of gossip, so how's this for a rumour:

Hot take from someone I trust: Today’s Times article laying out Johnson’s incompetence is intended to result in his replacement by Murdoch’s paid underling Gove. The ERG [that's Rees-Mogg's mob] that run the country these days don’t like that outcome, but don’t want Johnson either. So they’ve been lining up their own candidate. Which is why, and prepare for this story to get even weirder than you could possibly have imagined, they’ve been keeping that candidate out of the spotlight for three weeks because they don’t want their chosen future leader to be associated with the catastrophic handling of this mess, they want it to be all Johnson and Hancock’s fault (who they regard as the worst type of Tories, pro-Europeans).

The candidate in question has to be threatened with the sack before they would agree to handle one press conference, which they then made a deliberate hash of with the intention of speeding up the process of replacement. Based on that internal viewpoint from a trusted source, can you guess who their candidate is? Because I had to be told it twice as I assumed the person who told me was joking the first time. How reliable is all this? It comes from the same source who told me in 2015 that the purpose of the referendum for the ERG was to end up with a government with an extremist agenda led by a populist buffoon called Boris Johnson who could sell it.,

Priti interesting jaw-jaw, eh

[Dunners]

The thing is, by going missing, she has now been associated with it all.

[tuffers#1]

Nah, Cummings & Rhys Fogg are on the missing list

[Long slender neck]

NHS buying teams across all the trusts are the ones buying the product, not civil servants.

I know this will come as a shock to some, but Thory is completely wrong again. Well, I suppose not completely wrong as NHS trusts still pay, it's just that they get no say on what is coming to them.

https://www.nursingtimes.net/news/polic ... 1-04-2020/

I dont doubt you as you seem to work in the sector, but I cant see where in that article it explains the ordering process.

[tuffers#1]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52366190

Seems like another f*ck up by goverment with
Corona virus info .

[Ronnie Hotdogs]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52366190

Seems like another f*ck up by goverment with
Corona virus info .

That’s old news, people have been picking them up on that for ages.

Can you imagine how you must be feeling right now if you were one of the 13 million that voted this shower in?

[o-no]

Not really. People vote for all sorts of reasons. No-one could have foreseen this.

The apparatus of government is much the same whether there are blue curtains in No.10 or red ones, the same civil servants, the same NHS providers etc etc.

Would Labour have done a better job - well, they could scarcely have done worse, but then given that Labour barely managed to land any punches on Theresa May's woeful administration, I wouldn't bet on it.

[Mistadobalina]

The government suppressed a report that said that we were completely unprepared for 'this' though. Once a party has been in charge for a decade, how the civil service, the nhs, local government etc functions is theirs to own. If their overriding priority has been to diminish the state, then it's not a surprise that a crisis that requires the state to function efficiently and rapidly has been beyond their ability to deal with.

[A Pedant]

No-one could have foreseen this.

Apart from the government simulation exercise in 2016, that tested the UK's preparedness for a pandemic? The one which tested earlier pandemic response plans and found them so lacking that the NHS would be overwhelmed and that a lack of ventilators would be a serious problem? As Mistadobalina said, the report hasn't even been published to see exactly how badly the plans failed.

And yet not a single word of those plans has been rewritten to even mention ventilators, and a planned parliamentary inquiry into preparing for emerging infectious diseases had its first evidence session delayed last October due to Brexit debates, and was then cancelled altogether when the general election was called.

[BoniO]

Now I know a couple on here love a conspiracy theory, and everyone else a bit of gossip, so how's this for a rumour:

Hot take from someone I trust: Today’s Times article laying out Johnson’s incompetence is intended to result in his replacement by Murdoch’s paid underling Gove. The ERG [that's Rees-Mogg's mob] that run the country these days don’t like that outcome, but don’t want Johnson either. So they’ve been lining up their own candidate. Which is why, and prepare for this story to get even weirder than you could possibly have imagined, they’ve been keeping that candidate out of the spotlight for three weeks because they don’t want their chosen future leader to be associated with the catastrophic handling of this mess, they want it to be all Johnson and Hancock’s fault (who they regard as the worst type of Tories, pro-Europeans).

The candidate in question has to be threatened with the sack before they would agree to handle one press conference, which they then made a deliberate hash of with the intention of speeding up the process of replacement. Based on that internal viewpoint from a trusted source, can you guess who their candidate is? Because I had to be told it twice as I assumed the person who told me was joking the first time. How reliable is all this? It comes from the same source who told me in 2015 that the purpose of the referendum for the ERG was to end up with a government with an extremist agenda led by a populist buffoon called Boris Johnson who could sell it.,

Priti interesting jaw-jaw, eh

The rich and powerful have been plotting how to remain "rich and powerful" since time began. The above wouldn't surprise me in the least. Boris has played his part and is now expendable.

[Disoriented]

Now I know a couple on here love a conspiracy theory, and everyone else a bit of gossip, so how's this for a rumour:

Hot take from someone I trust: Today’s Times article laying out Johnson’s incompetence is intended to result in his replacement by Murdoch’s paid underling Gove. The ERG [that's Rees-Mogg's mob] that run the country these days don’t like that outcome, but don’t want Johnson either. So they’ve been lining up their own candidate. Which is why, and prepare for this story to get even weirder than you could possibly have imagined, they’ve been keeping that candidate out of the spotlight for three weeks because they don’t want their chosen future leader to be associated with the catastrophic handling of this mess, they want it to be all Johnson and Hancock’s fault (who they regard as the worst type of Tories, pro-Europeans).

The candidate in question has to be threatened with the sack before they would agree to handle one press conference, which they then made a deliberate hash of with the intention of speeding up the process of replacement. Based on that internal viewpoint from a trusted source, can you guess who their candidate is? Because I had to be told it twice as I assumed the person who told me was joking the first time. How reliable is all this? It comes from the same source who told me in 2015 that the purpose of the referendum for the ERG was to end up with a government with an extremist agenda led by a populist buffoon called Boris Johnson who could sell it.,

Priti interesting jaw-jaw, eh

The rich and powerful have been plotting how to remain "rich and powerful" since time began. The above wouldn't surprise me in the least. Boris has played his part and is now expendable.

He certainly is.